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Seiya never reaches the 9th sense.
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Infinite Speed Saint seiya Upgrade
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He hasn’t I called him out for this earlier and he ignored me
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working on Saint Seiya blogs for future CRT's atm. i'll come back to this once i got a moment
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While he does say GS can’t move FTL, this isn’t consistent with the fact that that Golds literally react to ”Light speed” attacks all the time, and thus would be ftl by that. His statements are just dumb, that’s all
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If by “right above” you mean your arguments about the androids, the speed statistics of the androids, mean nothing in a thread about an entirely different franchise, with different statements, feats, and energy system.
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Okada also writes the kanji for Infinite during the Shura scene. It literally has the most common way of writing infinite (無限) there’s plenty of other ways to write infinite in Japanese and yet Okada uses the most common way in this scene to clearly empathize what he meant. Stop this tomfoolery
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Wow no wonder there's confusion! The English scans are changing the script to wank!
In chapter 17 of Episode G Requiem, where the feat happens, Shura says that he needs to go faster than the Speed of Light to counter the "Infinite Fists". To do so he activates the 9th Sense and explicitly mentions Tachyons to move faster than light. The English Translation removes the mention of Tachyons and just refers to it as "Super Light Speed".
So now people are thinking that a FTL Anti-Feat is Infinite Speed.
In chapter 17 of Episode G Requiem, where the feat happens, Shura says that he needs to go faster than the Speed of Light to counter the "Infinite Fists". To do so he activates the 9th Sense and explicitly mentions Tachyons to move faster than light. The English Translation removes the mention of Tachyons and just refers to it as "Super Light Speed".
So now people are thinking that a FTL Anti-Feat is Infinite Speed.
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exactly, and in the BR translation here the attack literally written as has no end, as if it were many attacks and nothing infinite.
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This has been a problem for a while. Which is why it's taking me time to make blogs as I'm getting native Japanese speaking guys to help me verify what a scan says.
This issue exists in every language actually. BR, Spanish, Italian, French etc
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I do admit a ton of GA scans specifically can be pretty wanked the way they were translated.
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Here's the RAW.
Hasty12345
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anti-feat to what exactly?
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I think this here should be closed and have the scans translated, there are several bad translations, this should not be accepted without a good quality translation.
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Since Bontes feat and the stuff regarding that is a big part of the discussion can we address the raws? It’s mentioned twice that Bontes can create infinite attacks.
Once by Seiya here
And later by Shura here
Okda wrote the main Kanji for infinite(無限)
and could’ve written something like innumerable which would’ve been just a large amount of attacks but he clearly wrote infinite. Arguing that Okada didn’t mean infinite is rather stubborn especially when it’s blatantly written.
Once by Seiya here
And later by Shura here
Okda wrote the main Kanji for infinite(無限)
and could’ve written something like innumerable which would’ve been just a large amount of attacks but he clearly wrote infinite. Arguing that Okada didn’t mean infinite is rather stubborn especially when it’s blatantly written.
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Like I said, I already knows he says it’s a FTL movement, but 1, that doesn’t make sense. If he can’t intercept “infinite fists” at SoL, then why would moving at somewhat faster speeds help any substantial amounts. And 2, we should know by now that speed statements in ss are always gonna be SoL, or vaguely ftl becuase of authorial intent. And it’s despite this that we have Mftl+ characters.
And finally, I understand you are all disagreeing on the premise of Shura going at infinite speeds, but I’m pretty sure the infinite cosmos stuff I had at the start of the thread is fairly solid, and is indeed the big chunk of the argument. And no, whatbouttisms are not a decent rebuttal.
And finally, I understand you are all disagreeing on the premise of Shura going at infinite speeds, but I’m pretty sure the infinite cosmos stuff I had at the start of the thread is fairly solid, and is indeed the big chunk of the argument. And no, whatbouttisms are not a decent rebuttal.
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Several? There was an omission in 1 scan so far. And this omission didn’t even change the meaning of the scan. Everybody who reads can clearly tell shura was talking about surpassing light speed. This isn’t remotely grounds to close the whole crt. Especially when the scan isn’t even critical to the crt.
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Putting the word “Infinite” into Jisho shows you many many ways of writing the word, with the top one (無限) being the most common also the one uses by Okada in both instances. And doing so on other Japanese dictionaries does the exact same thing. So I ABSOLUTELY do not want to hear the hyperbole argument or the “He just meant a lot of attacks!” Argument at all its very clear what’s being shown. This also isn’t the full argument and only part of it so do not think responding to this is responding to ever scan brought up in this thread
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infinite - Jisho.org
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infinite - Words - Japanese Dictionary Tangorin
Definition search results for infinite, with our Japanese dictionary. What is infinite
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Frankly, "infinite speed" is "Super light speed mode" and it is "faster than light." very literally.
So using that to say "clear anti-feat" im going to have to disagree with.
Infinite speed is faster than light
So using that to say "clear anti-feat" im going to have to disagree with.
Infinite speed is faster than light
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this infinite cosmos thing doesn't work either, why did Seiya and several other characters who expanded his infinite cosmos get blitzed? it's the same thing as infinity¹+
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guess dragon ball will never reach infinite speed as long as they introduce a new villain of the week
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Lol, normal millstone.
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They’re abouta pull out the infinite universe scan that’s contradicted by current super manga and it’s anime
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My point is, Seiya could be immeasurable speed or peak human speed, but if he Isn’t as fast as the enemy…he gets blitzed. Simple as that. has nothing to do with the value assigned to his speed
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There is different levels of infinite speed which can be speed scale chained
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Let's just have a human translator translate the Raws, that would determine if the "Infinite cosmos" statements are legit or not.
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Which ones specifically?
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yes, yes, but are we going to wipe out a character who speedblitzed a possible infinite attack? (which are actually many attacks, where there is no way to translate) part of the manga refutes that the cosmos of infinite speed, it only takes a miracle to reach the speed of light and nothing else, more than that is a jerk, Shura himself is proof of this, where he had to exceed the speed of light to supposedly dodge an "infinite" attack and with infinite cosmos, as infinite is nothing more than a steroid for SS characters to achieve super light speed.
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The Japanese text where the "Infinite cosmos" statements comes from and possibly the others. I know someone used DeepL, but it might be best if a human translator looked at it.
I agree "Faster than Light" is not an anti-feat but Infinite distance within a finite amount of time is still Infinite speed, but perhaps it rests on someone who can translate Japanese to English.
I agree "Faster than Light" is not an anti-feat but Infinite distance within a finite amount of time is still Infinite speed, but perhaps it rests on someone who can translate Japanese to English.
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Yeah that’s totally within the realm of possibility, if that happens in the manga. Not that anybody has blitzed the shura who did this yet.
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I’ve provided a translation for the DeepL translator someone reliable who helps translate manga from Japanese to English. That scan is regarding how Cosmo is closely linked to all your stats speed strength hax etc.
As for the the infinite attacks and distance part, both instances are shown to have the kanji for infinite something I addressed pretty recently.
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I'm not actually sure you've read saint seiya if you're saying achieving light speed requires a miracle, it's the most casual feat done in the verse
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I'm saying that surpassing the speed of light requires a miracle and not that they have to achieve a miracle to be of light.
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Putting the word “Infinite” into Jisho shows you many many ways of writing the word, with the top one (無限) being the most common also the one uses by Okada in both instances. And doing so on other Japanese dictionaries does the exact same thing. So I ABSOLUTELY do not want to hear the hyperbole argument or the “He just meant a lot of attacks!” Argument at all its very clear what’s being shown. This also isn’t the full argument and only part of it so do not think responding to this is responding to ever scan brought up in this thread
infinite - Jisho.org
infinite - Words - Japanese Dictionary Tangorin
Definition search results for infinite, with our Japanese dictionary. What is infinite
Here’s part of it
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Miracles aren’t automatically infinite cosmos, they vary immensely depending on what situation the guy receiving a miracle is in.
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