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Infinite Speed Saint seiya Upgrade

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RIZEXX said:
Putting the word “Infinite” into Jisho shows you many many ways of writing the word, with the top one (無限) being the most common also the one uses by Okada in both instances. And doing so on other Japanese dictionaries does the exact same thing. So I ABSOLUTELY do not want to hear the hyperbole argument or the “He just meant a lot of attacks!” Argument at all its very clear what’s being shown. This also isn’t the full argument and only part of it so do not think responding to this is responding to ever scan brought up in this thread









infinite - Jisho.org

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infinite - Words - Japanese Dictionary Tangorin

Definition search results for infinite, with our Japanese dictionary. What is infinite
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“The attacks is referring to being a lot to dodge” @Toby020 stop using the same lame trash argument I’ve addressed why it’s infinite. If this was Dragon ball I guarantee you would’ve agreed it’s infinite.
 
StekFence said:
Like, if I’m saying that a horse moved faster then a human, and someone else specifies how much faster, the second guy isn’t wrong.

also, I’m sorry if I didn’t make this clearer, I was asking if you had a rebuttal for my argument that infinite cosmos would lead to infinite stats.
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It's ok, brother, but I think it should scale to a more plausible feat than this one, it doesn't make much sense to use this one, the context in other translations is different, about the cosmos being infinite indeed is True, but it's just an asteroid for a miracle that surpasses the speed of light

Let's use Poseidon as a base, he has a claim to swallow the whole universe with his cosmos (according to you 9th sense of the infinite tier and infinite speed), 9th sense was never presented in the main work, so we should disregard any means of infinite speed for canon, I agree with a probably infinite speed with episode G, but it should not mix with canon, the work Canon doesn't work the same .

Now let's go to Poseidon who would swallow the universe with his cosmos, should also assume that Saint Seiya's universe is infinite? Even because the verse only has a base for 2-C, as I'm going to believe that this scales the canon verse?that this scales the canon verse?
 
RIZEXX said:
“The attacks is referring to being a lot to dodge” @Toby020 stop using the same lame trash argument I’ve addressed why it’s infinite. If this was Dragon ball I guarantee you would’ve agreed it’s infinite.
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Translation is wrong, we should get an official translation to use as a base.
 
Toby020 said:
Now let's go to Poseidon who would swallow the universe with his cosmos, should also assume that Saint Seiya's universe is infinite?
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This would only mean Poseidon can quickly envelop the universe. It wouldn’t have anything to do with the universes size.
 
Toby020 said:
Translation is wrong, we should get an official translation to use as a base.
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Prove it’s wrong, there’s more evidence leaning to it being correct. So I’ll wait for adequate evidence but considering your main arguments consisting solely of “Sounds hyperbole” garbage I really doubt you will. Even staff seemingly agree it says infinite
 
TurtleGod55 said:
If Dragon Ball were following the Same Thing you wouldn't be this Desperate. ☠️
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I certainly disregard it, in Dragon Ball there are quotes like that and I'm not even jerking off, the problem is that an Ss fan doesn't read the whole context and already interpret it as everything literal.
 
Toby020 said:
I certainly disregard it, in Dragon Ball there are quotes like that and I'm not even jerking off, the problem is that an Ss fan doesn't read the whole context and already interpret it as everything literal.
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don't generalise the whole fanbase, I haven't even agreed/disagreed with he thread yet, I just think your arguments are awful.
 
RIZEXX said:
I’m surprised this thread has gone as long as it has, considering the overwhelming agrees. I can only imagine how long the thread for the big changes will be for the verse
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you should have been there for the low 2-C upgrade thread
 
RIZEXX said:
I’m surprised this thread has gone as long as it has, considering the overwhelming agrees. I can only imagine how long the thread for the big changes will be for the verse
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You could just tally up the votes. I think I was initially against but I'm sticking to neutral now. Feel like I don't know enough here to swing either side.
 
Crabwhale said:
You could just tally up the votes. I think I was initially against but I'm sticking to neutral now. Feel like I don't know enough here to swing either side.
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Probably something like this.


Agree: AlexZiggy, RizeXX, AnimesFreak, Tarta, Deathlems, Rabbit, TheUnshakeable, Maverick, kool, DarkDragon, TurtleGod, Gogeta, Toby (13)

Disagree:Lancelot, Alonik, Matthew(3)

Neutral: Crabwhale (1)
 
Why exactly are you bumping? By my estimates, you've got enough votes, yes?
 
I trust Matthew's sense of judgement regarding this verse. If the text has been inaccurately translated, we should not use the false translations, and preferably also call our members who are able to read Japanese to evaluate the raw scans properly.
 
Antvasima said:
I trust Matthew's sense of judgement regarding this verse. If the text has been inaccurately translated, we should not use the false translations, and preferably also call our members who are able to read Japanese to evaluate the raw scans properly.
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I think it makes sense, can you call on some of the team members to give their opinion as well?
 
Antvasima said:
I trust Matthew's sense of judgement regarding this verse. If the text has been inaccurately translated, we should not use the false translations, and preferably also call our members who are able to read Japanese to evaluate the raw scans properly.
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Ant, the incorrect translation was from a very specific mention of Faster then light,
Shura says that he needs to go faster than the Speed of Light to counter the "Infinite Fists". To do so he activates the 9th Sense and explicitly mentions Tachyons to move faster than light. The English Translation removes the mention of Tachyons and just refers to it as "Super Light Speed".
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To the exact same thing, but without the mention of tachyons. However, everyone knows that Shura is going faster than light, because he literally says he needs to Move faster than light speed. While yes it’s incorrectly translated, this translation removes literally 0 important information from the scan.
Everybody, will agree with me, on the subject of tachyons themselves not being important here. Even Matt. Because it’s a one time mention in order to drive home that he is surpassing light speed, when we already know that’s what he is doing.
 
Honestly, there was infinite speed feats that were excluded in the OP in this thread. Its possible the OP wasn't aware of them.
 
StekFence said:
What other feats are there?
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The verse has a 2-A Cosmology and Hades UW is accepted ont he wiki as its own Space-time continuum (3 at minium), therefore any feats of cross-universal stuff is a infinite speed feat

Thanatos sensing poseidon sending the gold cloths
Poseidon sending the gold cloths
Eris feats of other world stuff with the UW
etc
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
The verse has a 2-A Cosmology and Hades UW is accepted ont he wiki as its own Space-time continuum (3 at minium), therefore any feats of cross-universal stuff is a infinite speed feat

Thanatos sensing poseidon sending the gold cloths
Poseidon sending the gold cloths
Eris feats of other world stuff with the UW
etc
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IIRC Physically traversing space-times via movement is Immeasurable, if there is proof it was done via pure speed.
 
I see. But then, Winged Seiya,Hyoga,and Ikki would be that fast in travel speed too. I guess those states don’t really matter tho, they only had it for like, half a chapter.
 
StekFence said:
I see. But then, Winged Seiya,Hyoga,and Ikki would be that fast in travel speed too. I guess those states don’t really matter tho, they only had it for like, half a chapter.
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Well if you consider the SDS and its unique properties. it would make sense but it would only before those keys
 
Traveling to other universes/timelines is not Immeasurable. However, there as been a case by case analysis where traveling through an infinite number of universes is infinite. If they physically traveled to each and every single universe one by one within a finite amount of time, that's like an even better Infinite speed. It was also agreed that traveling from Universe A to Universe B doesn't quite equate to traveling to the edge of the universe so simply traveling to other universes isn't quite infinite either unless it's that example I mentioned. Though, "Traveling through infinite cosmos" would also equate to traveling infinite distance within a finite amount of time.

Also, we have human translators who translated the raws to get the infinite speed statements, so they aren't fake translations. The only counter argument I can see is if the feats are outliers which I'm not going to debate. But I personally still leans towards Infinite being fine.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Traveling to other universes/timelines is not Immeasurable. However, there as been a case by case analysis where traveling through an infinite number of universes is infinite. If they physically traveled to each and every single universe one by one within a finite amount of time, that's like an even better Infinite speed. It was also agreed that traveling from Universe A to Universe B doesn't quite equate to traveling to the edge of the universe so simply traveling to other universes isn't quite infinite either unless it's that example I mentioned. Though, "Traveling through infinite cosmos" would also equate to traveling infinite distance within a finite amount of time.

Also, we have human translators who translated the raws to get the infinite speed statements, so they aren't fake translations. The only counter argument I can see is if the feats are outliers which I'm not going to debate. But I personally still leans towards Infinite being fine.
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The examples i mentioned it explicitly shows physcially traveling through the worlds. through several actually without the use of any portals
 
Toby020 said:
it wasn't physically it was gold armor lol
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The gold armors were physically transported across such distances. It would only be not “physically” in this context if they were teleported, or dimensional hax were used, or something like that. Poseidon basically threw the gold cloths like baseballs except with his mind.
 
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