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Hammering in the Inconsistency: Bad Scaling and Hammer Units (Team Fortress Revision)
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Well, I am not well informed, so it is probably best to go with what the rest of our staff think is best.
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I'm thinking Athletic Human for all the Mercenaries except for Scout, who will be Peak Human, scaling for the rest of the verse goes from there.
Only one I'm considering not scaling is Merasmus, who should just be left at Unknown.
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No offense, but not placing their reactions at Subsonic (via Pyro reflecting arrows) by the claim that we can't use gameplay because its "inaccurate" somehow (even though its an intended mechanic) is, to put it simply, a huge double standard. For any other verse, this would be a straight forward addition.
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The mercenaries are athletic people, they engage in combat on a regular basis.
Scout is the fastest of the group, having spent his entire life running, in which he moved fast enough to get in front of a train as it was slowing down in a short timeframe, thus his separation in tier.
These are rather self-evident things, unless you would prefer I rate them even lower.
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This was never the claim and I had specified it was due to the canonicity of the gameplay being put in jeopardy based on the comic telling us the game is a dramatization, but this will be covered at a later date.
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Reminder that i calced spy's feat of killing a guy really fast
Should i post it in the evaluations thread?
Should i post it in the evaluations thread?
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And so your entire argument is that "I don't know what they actually scale to, but this is as far as I can low-ball them without being obviously wrong, so that is what I am going with."
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Mind you Scout also wasn't really paying attention to this whole ordeal, he was talking out loud and droning on.
You haven't proven I'm low-balling them, and if you haven't noticed I've waited and actually requested calculations be done for their speed, so I don't know what's giving you the impression that I'm not striving for accuracy here.Leotamer said:
You're implying that I haven't a clue what the mercenaries scale to but I've read through plenty of the material available myself, you don't have a reason to doubt my credibility on the subject.
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The argument is that anything less then Athletic Human is utter downplay since these guys are some of the most dangerous mercenaries in the world and should damn well move like athletes.
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Also wouldn't spy's feat also be a reaction/combat speed feat? i only calced the movement speed and spy would probably need superhuman reactions to pull it off
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Kinda redundant with the subsonic reaction feat from Pyro's airblast.
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Also the mercs lack very many movement speed feats
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I mean Demo has a feat of moving at comparable speed to his explosions in Meet The Demoman
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Don't most explosions move at Subsonic speeds?
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I think explosions actually move at Supersonic or Hypersonic speeds
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Then we are probably looking at an outlier...
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transonic via reflecting rockets still exist and is not dependent in hammer units to work and air blast is more designed to reflect rockets than arrows anyway
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That is supersonic+ to hypersonic but that should be calced anyway
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I agree with you here, Demoman was past the explosives before they went off
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No? we put the mercs speed because of lack of feats and that most of his impresive speed feats arent calced
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See above
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I think that most RPG rockets move at subsonic speeds.
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He still outruned the explosion and that still a feat speed and maybe he was past because he was faster that the explosions? and saying that he alredy outruned the explosions is stupid because there arent anything to prove against that and make more sense in the context of the scene
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He was already out of the range of the explosions by the time they went off.
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That was a casual feat and isnt a anti feat you know if A character does MSH feat casually then he does a FTL feat A that doesnt mean the FTL feat is a outlier specially when the character pulled the feat casually.
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We already explained why the feat isn't valid.
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Gonna try to update my spy calc a bit to make it more accurate, since it's very obvious that he traveled a lot more than i calculated
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He still outruned the explosions if he was slower that the explosions by a large marge the explosions would caugth him and that still a speed feat and should be calced
AKA: you still need to be comparable to the explosion speed to not be caugth and just because you are alredy beyond the explosion doesnt mean he is slower that the explosion and hear me out what if he outrun the explosion? just because he outruned the explosion doesnt mean he haved a advantage
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and i debunked that because that was a big double standard
and again that feat should be calced
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Not if he's literally outside the range of the explosion.
...wat
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Starting at 115 meters a second right out of the barrel and 295 meters a second once the rocket ignites.
Why should a clear feat of just having explosions go off behind you be anything more then athletic human? You are making a bigger deal of this feat then it actually is.
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False equivalency. Bullets can travel 100 m easily. Clearly, the explosions here did not travel as far as demo ran before they went off.
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Okay he was in the range of the explosion and he was outruning it Just because he haved a distance advantage doesnt mean he is slower he was in the explosion range and he was outruning
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Because he was outruning it? if he was peak human the explosions would caugth him especially when most explosions are supersonic+ and no he was in range of the explosion Just because he was like 4 meters behind make the feat magically invalid
and also when i am refering double standards is because some characters do extremlly similar feats and this isnt accepted
Character that i am refering that escaping a explosions is atleast transonic
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He. Wasn't. In. The. Range. Of. The. Explosion.
There is no outrunning here, the explosions happened behind him one by one. Right after Demo already got out of the range of them.
There is no outrunning here, the explosions happened behind him one by one. Right after Demo already got out of the range of them.
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