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Good question... Like to, but maybe not seeing some philosophy here.
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Hammering in the Inconsistency: Bad Scaling and Hammer Units (Team Fortress Revision)
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Possible, but also because the feat looks weird because SFM, the angle doesn't help.
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Pretty much somewhat.
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I don't get, what's wrong with Demo outrunning explosion?
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The only problem I can see is quantifiabling the scene, we only see the front view which is bad to calc stuff.
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I'm pretty sure meet the team shorts can be opened in SFM, that could probably give a better view
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Because the way he "outruns" it wouldn't require him be faster than his explosions, just be slightly ahead of them as the explosives go off, he isn't moving relative to them because they already finish by the time he makes his next steps.
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Yeah, it's more on line with aim dodging that they were already well outside the initial blast by the time he ran.
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There's an issue with that... I'm pretty sure its obvious
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The issue with that is a problem with SFM
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Or that it is being recreated by someone else, not to be mistrustful but it immediately brings the calc into question.
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just a joke btw no offense
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There is no calc about it?
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Other people has recreated the scene
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What i meant is that the validity of the feat comes into question, after all you could put damn near anything to influence the calc in your recreation
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Yep that is why i said other people has recreated the scene but IDK if that works if that doesnt work i am gona do hard work doing alot of pixel scaling... some day not tomorrow that is for sure
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i'm pretty sure it's possible to just load up the scene in SFM normally
the meet the team shorts were made in SFM and i think some of them can be opened using it
the meet the team shorts were made in SFM and i think some of them can be opened using it
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Be sure to compare the recreation to the original, see if Demoman is moving at the same speed
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There's clear in tandem movement in the end as he jumps tho
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No, he isn't.
It's pretty self-evident to an attentive viewer that him moving faster than his explosions travel is not what's happening here.
I'll justify this further by stating, like he himself did, that he's a good Demoman, he knew he had the time or made a calculated effort to make sure he wouldn't get caught up and killed in these explosions, which he describes "one arrogant twitch" as being enough for him to blow up because all it takes is a singular mistake, but he's a good Demoman, so he won't make that mistake.
EDIT: If it's not working, go here.
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wow there is absulutly no prove that he was gona do that and just because he is good at a job doesnt mean he calculated that
specially when 90% of the time he is drunk and doesnt help that later in the video he starts crying like a drunk man would do while holding a bottle....
demoman is good but to do that he needs to be a absulutly god at that to do the calculations specially when demo isnt very calculative
Also he wasnt moving exactly at the tandem of explosions thanks to the limits of SFM like it would requiere a absurd amount of job to make a character walks exactly at the same time the explosions were moving the point of the scene is that he was escaping from the explosions.
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Again, look at there he jumps and just go frame by frame. You'll see his leg and explosion moving in tandem
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Tried that, still have no idea what you're on about.
This is clearly presented in such a way that he isn't capable of moving at comparable speeds to an explosion.
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umm no you dont be to be super close to the explosion to be classfied as long as you are close enough in range to the explosion is fine especially when demoman was maximum 4-3 meters away from the explosion
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Every explosion happens directly behind them, after he's already moved out of the way. The detonation starts exactly once he's clear, that's what this scene is trying to show.
I really can't demonstrate it further than that, we're seeing the same thing dramatically differently for our own reasons.
I really can't demonstrate it further than that, we're seeing the same thing dramatically differently for our own reasons.
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YES.
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if my reasons dont convent you then THE LITERAL SCRIPT WILL no offense
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I will accept the calculation if the calc group members accept it
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umm that wasnt my point and you know it. my point is that the feat is valid not that the calculation is valid specially if there is no one
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Okay but it's clear the script got altered, or at least, interpreted differently. We see several explosions in the actual video itself, and the script especially doesn't detail "hmm yes Demoman is moving faster than sound to surpass the detonation of his bombs", it just says he escapes an explosion. The intent could just as easily be that he detonates it at just the right time to where he's not going to be damaged, and that's far more present in the final product.
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Yep but that is speculation so the feat is valid
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Calc it. See what the rest of the calc group says. And go from there.
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That is what i tried to said i only tried to say that the feat is valid
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