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We're calling you out for saying Gil's profile is F/SN lmfao
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Gilgamesh (f/sn) downgrade
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most of his non 1-c feats are from f/sn, and ea title is ea (f/sn), what does that small mistake have to do with the subject matter?
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You're blatantly ignoring most of the arguments made here to prove your point.
Furthermore, you brought up NLF to disprove a non existent point to make yourself seem smarter, please don't do that, it just makes the whole discussion more complicated.
Also my comment is a further addition to a previous point so you're quite literally not proving anything here. You just shortened what the scan I posted said in your first sentence lol
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That's because he rarely uses cqc without weapons LMFAO, if I had my way(and stopped being lazy) that profile would be decked out with every feat against a servant i could find
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what arguments are you making besides "gilgamesh can destroy the world", which the world refers to multiple things, and the fact that gilgamesh couldnt break through avalon.
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Well I guess we should remove Artoria's Zero key and her Extella key. We should also remove any Grand Order feats and scaling from all servants not originally from Grand Order. Or we can acknowledge that, outside of Gilgamesh, servants use the naming scheme of Class (Series/True Name) and weapons kinda seem to adopt that.
If it bothers you that much, ask for permission to rename Ea's page to Ea (Fate series)
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you're wrong
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KingNanaya
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you're wrong because I said so
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Not really as technically it still holds up especially since Avalon still has multiple statements even after what happened in F/SN.
Anyway, it doesn’t actually contradict what was shown in F/SN especially with statements regarding Ea at full power.
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User: Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh’s favored Noble Phantasm, the Sword of Rupture Ea. Of all his countless Noble Phantasms, this is one of the few that he trusts implicitly.
The blade is divided into three parts, all of which rotate individually. Honestly, calling it a sword at all is a bit of a farce. When it goes into overload, gaseous energy shoots out of the seams between the segments.
The space-cutting technique fired from this overloaded state is called “Enuma Elish”, and boasts destructive power on the same level as Excalibur.
The name “Ea” is taken from one of the gods appearing in Babylonian mythology, of which the legend of Gilgamesh is a part, and the name “Enuma Elish” comes from the Babylonian creation myth.”
“Borne of the winds drawn unto the revolution of the three cylinders of Ea, the stratification of the compressed, conflicting currents of the resulting storm produce a virtual dislocation of space-time, capable of inflicting incredible damage.”
Which for the record, I do think the power for Full Power Ea still holds even for the F/SN so him not holding back on Artoria is still technically valid when it mentions it can exceed even Excalibur (At least at the time although I don’t remember it ever being buffed or anything to say least.)
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agree fra
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excalibur has 13 seals that limit its power, iirc only after all of the 13 being broken does it reach tier 1
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Ain't that Proto-Calibur?
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agree fra
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Yeah, that Proto Excalibur
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pretty sure it's all of them
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From what I remember, only Prototype Excalibur had the 13 Seals while Artoria's Excalibur is only at full power when there is a threat that threatens the planet.
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Nope, Excalibur doesn't have seals. It just gets more powerful against threats to the planet/humanity.
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Yeah that's what I thought TBH
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I remember both having some description that states that its full power only unlocks after its user is fighting threat to the planet
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“Enuma Elish: Star of Creation that Separated Sky and Earth: EX
Not exactly the Noble Phantasm name but refers to the sword of separation Ea’s full release form. It is considered the planet creating weapon that in the distant past separated the sky and earth. Through compression via alternating inversion a windstorm beyond human understanding faults, dislocating space and time pulverizing the target along with the world. “
That is from Fate Prisma Liner which is also years after F/SN.
Not exactly the Noble Phantasm name but refers to the sword of separation Ea’s full release form. It is considered the planet creating weapon that in the distant past separated the sky and earth. Through compression via alternating inversion a windstorm beyond human understanding faults, dislocating space and time pulverizing the target along with the world. “
That is from Fate Prisma Liner which is also years after F/SN.
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that's my bad then
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"The enemy must be more powerful than oneself.
The battle must be one-on-one.
The enemy must not be an Elemental.
The battle must be one against evil.
The battle must not involve personal gain.
The battle must not be inhumane.
The battle must be honorable.
The battle must be for the truth.
The battle must be to live.
The battle must be to save the world."
One of them is to save the world ye
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That even gets contradicted by tiamat's description
Even if you say ea was the weapon used, only the human world was created.
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That should applied to only Proto Calibur as I honestly don’t think it should necessarily applied to Artoria’s Excalibur since as far as I am aware, they do have seals of sorts (Apparently from her interludes in FGO, but I have to double check), but not to this extent.
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Thing is, Ea (The Noble Phantasm) wasn’t using during the fight against Tiamat and the Babylonia Gods. Also Gil was born after that event so it doesn’t disprove Ea’s powers
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ea existed before gilgamesh.
Also i've seen many people say that ea is responsible for creating the world, but it was tiamat's death, and her death only created the human world, which is a texture ( even then, it should only apply to Mesopotamia due to a similar case)
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There are "worlds" for specific areas, which is supported by the same strangefake scan.
There is a reason why a distinction is made between anti world and anti planet nps
This does not mean the entire world/planet.
There is a reason why a distinction is made between anti world and anti planet nps
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bro do you think that tiamat is 8D when she was killed by a 4D or 3D weapon?do you still think fate uses R>F after that? in simple terms your thread is debunked the whole scale
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next he's gonna make a thread for removing tier 1 from nasuverse as a whole.
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ea scaling to tiamat is in it's second key. a lot of people in this thread dont know the difference
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nerfed gilgamesh has little to no effect on nasu, at most, it'll nerf servant Enikdu.
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Based on what are you making this claim?
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anti world = threat to textures and such
anti planet = threat to planet
this does not mean they can automatically destroy their classification's namesake, but pose a significant threat.
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it will extend to the beasts, those who scale to the beasts, and so on, and so forth. and just in case you still disagree, I will send a few threads that talk about this same topic, so there can be no more debate.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/servant-scaling-moon-cell-downgrade-proposal-2-0.148944/
point is, your claims, among others, have been disproven consistently.
Edit: https://vsbattles.com/threads/nasuverse-discussion-rule.148971/ (just so you can see the other arguments)
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alive gil's enuma elish still scales, the scaling there is more blatant than his servant form.
also i posted a scan that separates the entire "world" from the world of just 1 mythology. Different mythologies have different worlds
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So that Ea page name should definitely be changed lol, no idea why it singles out Stay Night for Ea
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Enkidu stating Enuma Elish could destroy the world in Fate/Strange Fake
The OP's argument revolves around Fate/Stay Night, something that Nasu has directly noted has been retconned in terms of Power levels due to later developments in the series, and since SN is the first work of Fate...
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