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hopefully we get thrown a bone next year since that's fates 20th anniversary
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Gilgamesh (f/sn) downgrade
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facepalmEa is a real Mesopotamian god, and its three sections represent heaven, the earth ( where humans are), and the underworld.
Enki - Wikipedia
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Yes, Ea was a Mesopotamian God.
gilgamesh named it after them. read up on this shit sometime man
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Read your own scans
"The God Ea"
"But Ea is a god"
It's not talking about the red, black, and gold pixie stick of death. It's talking about the god.
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literally every feat brought up in this thread is shared by Ea ( god). So either the weapon was created after ea, and it's feats dont truly apply, or idk
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I should ask one question.
Where is the god stated to have the same feats in fate?
Becuase I shouldn't need to tell you, but going off of myth, when all the Greek gods were ******* robots in fate is a terrible idea.
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EXTRA CCC - Gilgamesh Matrix
Enuma Elish (The Star of Creation That Split Heaven and Earth)
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Thank you.
However, I'd like the raw checked, not saying I don't trust the type/moon wiki(or you), but it's better to be safe
"０１ - 『天地乖離す開闢の星エヌマ・エリシュ』
開闢―――すべての始まりを示す、ギルガメッシュの最終宝具。
メソポタミア神話における神の名を冠した剣、乖離剣エアによる空間切断。
エア神はまだ地球が原始状態だった頃、マグマの海とガスとに覆われた地表を回し、砕き、
安定させた星の力が擬神化したものとされる。
多くの神は原始地球が安定し生命が住まう世界となった後で国造りを始めるが、
エアはその以前、星造りを行った一神とされる。
エアの名を冠したギルガメッシュの剣は、三層の巨大な力場を回転させる事で時空流を起こし、
空間そのものを変動させる。
その真の威力は一個の生命相手に用いるものではなく、世界を相手に用いるものだ。
サーヴァントたちが持つ数ある宝具の中でも頂点の一つとされる、“世界を切り裂いた”剣である。"
Have some Kanji
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You know a ting or two about Japanese yes?
Can you translate this?
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forgot to address crimsons point, but gilgamesh has a divinity rank of b.
Whether zeus's abilities apply to him is speculation,
Whether zeus's abilities apply to him is speculation,
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Nobody even mentioned Gil having that, plus his actual rank is A+, he just hates the gods so much that his divinity dropped 3 ranks
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Crimsion was mentioned that gods with enough divinity can affect things outside of their textures
afaik he's always summoned as a rank b divinity, so wouldnt apply to him
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They mentioned it for ******* zeus!
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Then i dont get why it was brought up
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Because ******* applying shit to multiple textures is not unheard of in Nasuverse.
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yes, but if that doesnt apply to the subject of the thread, theres no point
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Yes the op does mention that, but not only is zeus not gilgamesh, he has a higher (active) divinity parameter.
while it would possibly apply to an alive gilgamesh, it doesn't for his servant self
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Problem is we've given you explicit evidence in the form of strange fake and Prisma that the "world" referes to all of the above be it the "Planet" or a Texture. as its stated to be a "Planet" Creating weapon, stated that he would destroy the mirror world which is a replica of the "planet" and ea was explicitly stated to have twisted and torn the "Planet" in SF.
All of which you have for some reason chosen to ignore unless you can't read in which case my condolences .
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After this thread, we should prolly make the EA profile look a bit nicer as to not cause these types of threads again.
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You can't be real
One of the statements I sent said the "planet" multiple times and all of creation
It's not
Bro this has been addressed in the thread you're arguing to argue rn and taking stuff out of context
This is has been addressed too in the thread you're just repeating what you're saying over and over again
This was addressed in the thread scroll up and red again, once again it didn't just say "world" it said "world" and "planet" multiple times.
What does tiamat have to do with this
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They never said they just said the weapon ea can be considered a god
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Lol
Anyways about the Tiamat stuff, for which reason is it under the Mythological Code key equivalent on the EA profile? Does anyone know? From what I remember, Gilgamesh was summoned as Archer using Gilgamesh's death as a catalyst.
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" the weapon ea created the world" meanwhile lore says tiamat getting split in half created the worldWhat does tiamat have to do with this
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To my knowledge, Mythological Mystic Code only ever appears in Extraverse (And even then like, it happens once or twice lol) So his feats against Tiamat (which iirc are from FGO) shouldn't be anywhere near that section specifically.
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the key is split between his mystic code self and his alive/fullpower self
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I know this is a nitpick, but do you have to change the wording of what I say when you reply to me? That can easily lead to misunderstandings when screenshots without full context are taken.
Either way, having his Alive Self and Mythological Code self in the same key seems a bit Flawed imo.
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Yeah I find it weird too since the keys for Ea look like this
The AP explanation for the Full Power key is the following
However this isn't refering to just "Full Power Enuma Elish" as this is the explanation in the Servant key
So that got me confused too since Gilgamesh was neither alive nor anything implied that someone got his true power unlocked.
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I don't think we ever saw alive Gilgamesh (Archer/Extra Class), we only saw the weakened one (Caster). The key for Gilgamesh is split like this so I think it's fine
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Makes more sense, thnx for the clarification and stuff, in that case it defo is fine
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caster gil is just older gil iirc, there should only be a power difference as servants
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I'd say you're only right with the first part. Yes Gilgamesh (Caster) is the older form of Gilgamesh (Archer/Extra Class). However Caster is no longer in his prime and gave up a lot of his treasures. I'm not sure if he even has EA anymore as it's not amongst his Noble Phantasms nor has he used it (maybe he just didn't want to or couldn't). After he summons his Archer self, he tells Caldea that he wanted to give them a peak at the True King of Heroes so yes there should be a difference in power.
This version is also from nearly the Age of Man so that may also affect Gil in this case, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
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Yes the Gods tore up Tiamat's corpse and from it the Heaven and Earth formed. Then the World of Man followed in the Mesopotamian Texture.
However many of the people here are saying that EA is not limited to the Mesopotamian Texture as it was simply found by Gilgamesh and Gilgamesh was the one who named it.
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its abilities seem to be a replication of the real ea/enki, as i showed earlier in the thread
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Didn't you get debunked like 3 times in that regard? We have no confirmation officially of that, and thus, since all we know is Gil found it, and named it as such, we can't really say that Ea the weapon can remotely be compared to Ea the God, and vice versa
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I'll be accepting two presumptions made by Marshmallow (yes this is on purpose) for this comment.
1. The translation provided about Enki is correct.
2. Ea shares the same feats as the God Enki.
The quotes provided are the following:
Enki is said to be a "quasi-deification of the power of the planet" meaning while he isn't litteraly the planet, his actions are related to the planet and not simply the Mesopotamian Texture.
Enki is also said that he performed the act of "building the planet", not the world, the Planet.
Finally, it says after these actions it says that "Many gods began building nations", due to the nature of the text and how it's described. This could be refering to the Gods in general, not just Mesopotamian ones. This would mean that Enki's acts would predate the creation of the Mesopotamian Texture.
1. The translation provided about Enki is correct.
2. Ea shares the same feats as the God Enki.
The quotes provided are the following:
Assuming these are correct, now that I am rereading this, would this change anything? Marshmallow said that World and Planet are separated. We agree that when we are talking about the Planet, we mean quite litteraly the Planet, not just a texture from my understanding of the thread.
Enki is said to be a "quasi-deification of the power of the planet" meaning while he isn't litteraly the planet, his actions are related to the planet and not simply the Mesopotamian Texture.
Enki is also said that he performed the act of "building the planet", not the world, the Planet.
Finally, it says after these actions it says that "Many gods began building nations", due to the nature of the text and how it's described. This could be refering to the Gods in general, not just Mesopotamian ones. This would mean that Enki's acts would predate the creation of the Mesopotamian Texture.
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Diffent gods have separate statements of creating the planet.
03 - Potnia Theron [EX]
Conception of All Animals Potnia Theron.
The authority of the goddesses that BB compiled and absorbed from the abyss of the mooncell.
Predating tiamat would mean this predates ea as well.
i literally posted a quote from the extra cc databook
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This doesn't show a creation of the planet feat. This specific ability is also not bound Mythology so could you explain your point further here?
Why would this mean that it predates Ea? Why would it mean that it predates Tiamat? I never said that it predates Tiamat so I'd like an explanation.
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Can you give me a screenshot?You can't be real
One of the statements I sent said the "planet" multiple times and all of creation
It's not
Bro this has been addressed in the thread you're arguing to argue rn and taking stuff out of context
This is has been addressed too in the thread you're just repeating what you're saying over and over again
This was addressed in the thread scroll up and red again, once again it didn't just say "world" it said "world" and "planet" multiple times.
What does tiamat have to do with this
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They never said they just said the weapon ea can be considered a god
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