General DC Comics Discussion Thread

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It would be pretty inconsistent to rate The Phantom stranger and The spectre to 2A ;high 1C- 1B based on single statement.
jim corrigan Spectre has consistently shown to be weaker than Hal Jordan Spectre and Unbound Spectre . He got bodied by parllax and Antimonitor.

Hal Spectre was the only version who could use the power of logos without getting overwhelmed and considered to be the stronger than any Green lantern entities like Parallax.

Unbound Spectre is the strongest Spectre . He destroyed the lord of orders and chaos.

Unbound spectre could honestly get way higher than we have him now. If he wasn't stomped, he would've destroyed all of DC's magic. He's also affected people like Mxyzptlk, depowered Animal Man (who was gonna get upgraded but his threat got Necro'd) and took on Shazam empowered with literally all magic on earth

 

[Robo432343]

I was thinking spectre might have Low 1-C durability because he took a blast from a 5D Imp

 

[Transcending]

No. The ongoing Heralds discussion doesn't apply to New-52, only Rebirth. The scaling for Superrman to these two characters comes from N52. Also, the thread hasn't even remotely reached a consensus yet, so I don't know why you're assuming it will be accepted.

Actually there is a way.

Rebirth Superman can be scaled to Hellbat, and Hellbat can be scaled to N52 Supes.

 

[Transcending]

(Zero Hour would have caused destruction on a similar scale to the Crisis on Infinite Earths if The Spectre hadn’t interfered.

Where is it stated Zero Hour=COIE if I may ask?

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Where is it stated Zero Hour=COIE if I may ask?

This should be wrong. Zero House Parallax had only absorbed residual energy of Anti Monitor. It should be just referring to the fact that Hal was erasing the Universe.

 

[Transcending]

Yeah that description should be removed

 

[Antvasima]

It seems very doubtful given that there was only a single DC universe at the time, yes.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Maybe that key should be 2C rather than 2A.

 

[Transcending]

I am not against it being 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we preferably need input from a greater amount of knowledgeable members first. Should somebody start a separate revision thread for the issues of contention here?

 

[Transcending]

Well, we preferably need input from a greater amount of knowledgeable members first. Should somebody start a separate revision thread for the issues of contention here?

Ig, though I can't make it unfortunately.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Well, we preferably need input from a greater amount of knowledgeable members first. Should somebody start a separate revision thread for the issues of contention here?

I made a thread. You can check it.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/zero-hour-crt.148866/

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

I will check.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Hate to do this but are there other reasons for Pre Crisis having a "possibly 2A" than this:

possibly Multiverse level+ (Generated enough power to restore all future timelines wiped out by the Time Trapper in his clash with Jaxxon. Manage to lobotomize Maaldor with great effort, who at that point had grown so large that he was threatening all existence)

The first point is fine at face value but it adds confusion when it comes to scaling. Xenofobe says that Superman's punches were equal to if not above the energies of the entire Green Lantern Corps, which is odd if not a bit outlierish, especially when Jordan is supposed to scale to him.
Maaldor was very much not 2A. He had created links with interlocked dimensions. The madness that infected him and was killing him would spread through the link doing the same to other universes. Phantom Stranger even says that in the scan. Its an overtime chain reaction that Maaldor shouldn't even scale to as he would die before hand.
The other part is that Superman himself doesn't scale to Maaldor in anyway. Superman is toyed by him in the same Issue. And in his previous appearances.


Maaldor's consciousness itself seems to be weak to forces opposite nature to his Universe:


There is also the point that Joker had usurped power equal to Maalador and was helping Superman fight him. So, I can see the problem in using these scans a bit.

 

[AndrewBennet]

5D imps are lower than the sphere of god's .

The Spectre weakened them by destroying the magic in the multiverse.

 

[Deagonx]

5D imps are lower than the sphere of god's .

The Spectre weakened them by destroying the magic in the multiverse.

This flip flops. Usually Mxy is above the Sphere.

 

[Robo432343]

is the mansion of silence 5D or 6D in the blog? i was thinking 6D because its beyond heaven (5D) and it houses thousands and thousands of creations

 

[Deagonx]

mansion of silence 5D or 6D in the blog? i was thinking 6D because its beyond heaven (5D) and it houses thousands and thousands of creations

Why is Heaven being rated as 5-D? Why would being outside of Heaven be rated as 6-D?

 

[Robo432343]

Why is Heaven being rated as 5-D?

pretty sure its because it transcends the 2-A creation

 

[AndrewBennet]

pretty sure its because it transcends the 2-A creation

Heaven is not 2A or 1C. It simply exists outside the creation in vertigo.

The Presence itself would only be 2A without scaling from composite Cosmology.

 

[AndrewBennet]

5th dimension in current cannon .

 

[Robo432343]

Heaven is not 2A or 1C. It simply exists outside the creation in vertigo.

The Presence itself would only be 2A withoutut scaling from composite Cosmology.

silver city transcends creation tho or is this completely different things

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Heaven is not 2A or 1C. It simply exists outside the creation in vertigo.

The Presence itself would only be 2A without scaling from composite Cosmology.

Very much doubtful.

 

[Vondoom]

Heaven is not 2A or 1C. It simply exists outside the creation in vertigo.

The Presence itself would only be 2A without scaling from composite Cosmology.

I thought he was meant to be TOP 3 in composite DC cosmology

 

[Beyond_transcending]

I thought he was meant to be TOP 3 in composite DC cosmology

He is less than 10.

 

[Transcending]

Heaven is not 2A or 1C. It simply exists outside the creation in vertigo.

The Presence itself would only be 2A without scaling from composite Cosmology.

I agree with this. Under composite I think the Presence comfortably reaches 1A-High 1A depending on your scalings, but Vertigo on its own isn't that impressive.

 

[Deagonx]

I thought he was meant to be TOP 3 in composite DC cosmology

In Composite DC, Presence is tied for 1st with the Source and Overvoid, which are all the same being.

 

[Larssx]

In Composite DC, Presence is tied for 1st with the Source and Overvoid, which are all the same being.

What do u think swamp thing?

 

[Deagonx]

What do u think swamp thing?

I don't understand the question.

 

[Larssx]

I don't understand the question.

Swamp thing (character)

 

[Deagonx]

Swamp thing (character)

Like, what do I think about him? In general? In what context?

 

[Larssx]

Like, what do I think about him? In general? In what context?

Like top 1,top 5,top 10 (power)

 

[Vondoom]

In Composite DC, Presence is tied for 1st with the Source and Overvoid, which are all the same being.

But his gonna be just 2-A, that's not accurate at all.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we try to finish our discussions about Luthor's and TBWL's intelligence levels, as well as downgrading Parallax?

 

[Deagonx]

So should we try to finish our discussions about Luthor's and TBWL's intelligence levels, as well as downgrading Parallax?

Seems like the Zero Hour CRT has confirmed the Parallax downgrade. I don't have strong feelings about intelligence levels.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can you link to it please?

 

[Deagonx]

Okay. Can you link to it please?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/zero-hour-crt.148866/

 

[Transcending]

So should we try to finish our discussions about Luthor's and TBWL's intelligence levels

Yeah, I think we can continue it in my CRT rather than here.

 

[Antvasima]

Can you link to that as well please?