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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Bumping this so superman and Supergirl's profiles can get fixed and become better
I haven't got the scans (and I forgot to note the issues...) but I went through and added all the abilities to a sandbox here


Aside from some potency things, some hax layers and a couple resistances, most of the key stuff is already on the PC and Rebirth profiles.

I somehow posted this in the Bleach General thread, but meant to post it here o_O
 
I'd prefer more input from more experts before excepting 1-A, but "Reality within realities" could be an indicator. It almost reaches the "Circle is larger with each being more real than the last." But I'm unsure if it quite reaches that aside from the former just being baseline at best and the latter being many layers above that.
 
I'd prefer more input from more experts before excepting 1-A, but "Reality within realities" could be an indicator. It almost reaches the "Circle is larger with each being more real than the last." But I'm unsure if it quite reaches that aside from the former just being baseline at best and the latter being many layers above that.
That's why I wasn't sure for 1-A, but given the statement it's very possible. Perhaps a second piece of evidence might help.
 
Did perpetua created godsphere and heaven? As far as I know she only created the Multiverse . Sphere of gods and other realms are simply higher planes of existence beyond it.

Who created monitor sphere?
 
Did perpetua created godsphere and heaven? As far as I know she only created the Multiverse . Sphere of gods and other realms are simply higher planes of existence beyond it.
Sphere was naturally occurring as the Multiverse was surrounded by raw possibilities.
Who created monitor sphere?
It came as the universal structure after the supposed death of Mar Novu when he splintered across many monitors.
 
Doomsday should get massive upgrade. He pretty much seems unkillable
Depends on how you scale Time Trapper and Superman. I can see 1-A, but the problem with that is how DC treats beings on a dimensional level to actively engage with conceptual beings and realms.

It kinda works for both ways. Superman can interact with higher beings yet how is he? This could both play as a qualifier for him and a disqualifier with whom he interacts.

Time and time again he started to be deathless in that he could not permanently die not even by the concept of death itself. He has faced beings on at least a Low 1-A level and can access things like going to the Source Wall, the 5th and 6th Dimensions. Obviously, if he is 1-A then Doomsday gets upgraded to that level. I think the Sphere of the Gods should be Low 1-A, which at the very least both could get that.
 
Doesn't DC Comics officially have a system of that when higher beings, such as the Monitor brothers, manifest in lower levels of reality, these manifestations are vastly depowered, which explains why regular superheroes can affect them? 🙏
 
Doesn't DC Comics officially have a system of that when higher beings, such as the Monitor brothers, manifest in lower levels of reality, these manifestations are vastly depowered, which explains why regular superheroes can affect them? 🙏
Yes.
 
I don't want to upgrade Superman for now unless they receive from massive power ups in the storylines . Doomsday on the other hand can regenerate from mind and killing time trapper Doomsday would only make evolve by becoming god of all space and time.

We still have to wait for more issues
 
Okay. Then that seems to significantly lessen the validity of upgrading Superman to Low 1-A or above. 🙏
Well. We have seen Superman punching the World Forger in the Sixth Dimension but this was only possible because he went through an unspecified amounts of suns, and Superman fought Mandrakk but the latter was defeated by Neon the Unknown and the Alden Quench managed to hurt him.
 
Also, Mandrakk should have a depowered key in his profile because his powers also decrease on lower planes. He was killed by some of Green Lanterns.
 
Well. We have seen Superman punching the World Forger in the Sixth Dimension but this was only possible because he went through an unspecified amounts of suns, and Superman fought Mandrakk but the latter was defeated by Neon the Unknown and the Alden Quench managed to hurt him.
But it has the opposite issue too; in addition to the numerous sun dips; Superman also needed to be size amped by Mr Mxyzptlk in order to even enter the 6th dimension in the first place. Not to mention, literally anyone becomes that tier if they are buffed by him to enter it.
 
But it has the opposite issue too; in addition to the numerous sun dips; Superman also needed to be size amped by Mr Mxyzptlk in order to even enter the 6th dimension in the first place. Not to mention, literally anyone becomes that tier if they are buffed by him to enter it.
Yes. Though The World Forger altered Mister Mxyzptlk's portal so that the Justice League could enter the Sixth Dimension.
 
Well. We have seen Superman punching the World Forger in the Sixth Dimension but this was only possible because he went through an unspecified amounts of suns
And Superman was also elevated to a much higher level of existence (the Sixth Dimension) at the time.
and Superman fought Mandrakk
Well, he used the Thought Robot armor to fight Mandrakk. He could not remotely do so on his own.
but the latter was defeated by Neon the Unknown and the Alden Quench managed to hurt him.
Yes, that story made even less sense than usual for DC Comics.
 
I agree with your suggestion. 🙏
 
I realized that we can't use some of the scans due to how time and space are treated. However, there's a relatively good scan to use for a hierarchy though:

Such as this
Also, something cool about time and space being at the edge of the Cosmos(Monitor Sphere, most likely). Cool to use for 5th Dimension and 6th Dimension being above those concepts.

Justice League America Vol.1 #74
Arion, Lord of Atlantis Vol.1 #1
That story is about a character named Dr destiny who stole Dream of Endless stone and tried to replace the main universe with his dreaming realities .
 
I want to get Dream a win in his profile
But it is quite hard to find fairness in a match against whoever it is in the H1A tier, since they're either completely immune to Plot Manipulation or I can't seem to know if Dream can affect them.

To try and solve the second case: do you guys think putting him against Shub-Niggurath is only producing a Mismatch (or can Dream even affect her)? What about the second or third keys of the Beyonder, who doesn't have relation to Marvel's Basic Magic (the plot manip resistance I talked about earlier), can Dream affect him and/or produce anything other than a mismatch?
Talking about Dream's profile and not, idk, Presence or Death due to personal preference (also speed would be equal, since Dream has Unknown for every key)
 
I also thought a bit about getting to the 1B characters to try and get a match, but also had quite a hard time finding anything that sounded at least a tiny bit feasible.
 
I want to get Dream a win in his profile
But it is quite hard to find fairness in a match against whoever it is in the H1A tier, since they're either completely immune to Plot Manipulation or I can't seem to know if Dream can affect them.

To try and solve the second case: do you guys think putting him against Shub-Niggurath is only producing a Mismatch (or can Dream even affect her)? What about the second or third keys of the Beyonder, who doesn't have relation to Marvel's Basic Magic (the plot manip resistance I talked about earlier), can Dream affect him and/or produce anything other than a mismatch?
Talking about Dream's profile and not, idk, Presence or Death due to personal preference (also speed would be equal, since Dream has Unknown for every key)
The profiles need to be updated including his speed keys back to their original status.
 
Dream's key should be 1A instead of 1B . Infact even Destiny of Endless would be High 1A in Demattis cosmology. Booster gold comics referred his book capable of controlling all of realities and all of space and time
 
That story is about a character named Dr destiny who stole Dream of Endless stone and tried to replace the main universe with his dreaming realities .
Its quite clear that Dreaming always had a narrative hierarchy. Too bad the main Cosmology doesn't have enough for us to use outside of composite and we all know how the wiki feels about that.
 
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