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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
I realized that we can't use some of the scans due to how time and space are treated. However, there's a relatively good scan to use for a hierarchy though:

Such as this
Also, something cool about time and space being at the edge of the Cosmos(Monitor Sphere, most likely). Cool to use for 5th Dimension and 6th Dimension being above those concepts.

Justice League America Vol.1 #74
Arion, Lord of Atlantis Vol.1 #1
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That story is about a character named Dr destiny who stole Dream of Endless stone and tried to replace the main universe with his dreaming realities .
 
I want to get Dream a win in his profile
But it is quite hard to find fairness in a match against whoever it is in the H1A tier, since they're either completely immune to Plot Manipulation or I can't seem to know if Dream can affect them.

To try and solve the second case: do you guys think putting him against Shub-Niggurath is only producing a Mismatch (or can Dream even affect her)? What about the second or third keys of the Beyonder, who doesn't have relation to Marvel's Basic Magic (the plot manip resistance I talked about earlier), can Dream affect him and/or produce anything other than a mismatch?
Talking about Dream's profile and not, idk, Presence or Death due to personal preference (also speed would be equal, since Dream has Unknown for every key)
 
I also thought a bit about getting to the 1B characters to try and get a match, but also had quite a hard time finding anything that sounded at least a tiny bit feasible.
 
noninho said:
I want to get Dream a win in his profile
But it is quite hard to find fairness in a match against whoever it is in the H1A tier, since they're either completely immune to Plot Manipulation or I can't seem to know if Dream can affect them.

To try and solve the second case: do you guys think putting him against Shub-Niggurath is only producing a Mismatch (or can Dream even affect her)? What about the second or third keys of the Beyonder, who doesn't have relation to Marvel's Basic Magic (the plot manip resistance I talked about earlier), can Dream affect him and/or produce anything other than a mismatch?
Talking about Dream's profile and not, idk, Presence or Death due to personal preference (also speed would be equal, since Dream has Unknown for every key)
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The profiles need to be updated including his speed keys back to their original status.
 
Dream's key should be 1A instead of 1B . Infact even Destiny of Endless would be High 1A in Demattis cosmology. Booster gold comics referred his book capable of controlling all of realities and all of space and time
 
AndrewBennet said:
That story is about a character named Dr destiny who stole Dream of Endless stone and tried to replace the main universe with his dreaming realities .
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Its quite clear that Dreaming always had a narrative hierarchy. Too bad the main Cosmology doesn't have enough for us to use outside of composite and we all know how the wiki feels about that.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Lloydblitzed I'm not sure if I agree about Darkest Knight as because as explained in these two videos, he wasn't real and made up by Darkseid



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OK, I had to stop watching when he said "Vandal Savage projected the Great Darkness out of a Gold Lantern Ring"

That's....blatantly out of context.

It's not THE Great Darkness/GEB, that was sealed away, etc that Vandal Savage created. The Great Darkness they are talking about is the future threat the Legion called The Great Darkness that was the attacking the future. Same name, different entity. Simply reading the comic would have shown this

Second, the interview he claimed says was one canon fabricated by Vandal Savage doesn't say anything like that.

I ALSO can't find any evidence of his claim it was supposed to tie into Dark Crisis, so.......Yeah. His first major claim has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese.
 
Darkest knight is threat to the hands (who destroyed trillions of multiverses as per chronicler. )
Crisis energy perpetua welds birthed the multiverse from void including 1A realms like deep space and gallery of moments etc.

Not sure what we are arguing about
 
Im going on a quest rn to add scans to profiles who needs it and add bold text to older profiles. So far, I've fixed Post Flashpoint Clayface, Brainiac and Bizarro
 
I'll be trying to pull a fight for classic Constantine but took a time to read the profile for the Post-FP one and...

Weaknesses: Suffers from lung cancer now that his Demon Blood has been removed. [...]
  • In Justice League Dark Vol 2 3, John lost access to his Demon Blood, which allowed him to ignore some of the cost of his spells. In future appearances, however, he hasn't been shown to struggle more than before with his magic. As this leaves it uncertain whether he could use the great majority of his abilities, thus making it impossible to know how he might perform in any certain fight, it is advised to give John access to his Demon Blood in VS Threads.
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So he has the Demon Blood or not? Or is it up to interpretation/matchmaking? Also how can someone decide if he has or not something when...

Standard Equipment: A lighter and far too many packs of cigarettes, his usual clothes which are covered in magic protections, holy water.

  • Optional Equipment: Key of Houdini, Moonblade, axes and guns among other weaponry, The House of Mystery (Formerly)
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...it is not in his equipment or separating keys off of him?
 
Why this scan not used in the cosmology blog? I think it would be useful to complement more dimensions in the individual universes.

Countdown: Arena #4
 
noninho said:
I'll be trying to pull a fight for classic Constantine but took a time to read the profile for the Post-FP one and...


So he has the Demon Blood or not? Or is it up to interpretation/matchmaking? Also how can someone decide if he has or not something when...


...it is not in his equipment or separating keys off of him?
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Bump(?)
 
Swanyee9t76

Thread 'misconception about DC comic supreme being.'

Hello, everyone. Today, I want to address a critical discussion about debunking certain DC cosmological misconceptions, specifically regarding the Light of Creation, the Source, the Presence, and the Overvoid, while re-establishing the original interpretations. This thread will primarily focus on the Overvoid.

Given the numerous misunderstandings surrounding supreme hierarchical entities like the Source, the Presence, the Overvoid, and God, I’ll do my best to clarify and correct these misconceptions.


“Source as an Aspect of the Presence”​


In modern discussions, many claim that the...
  • Swanyee9t76
  • #dc comics #presence dc comics cosmology lucifer morningstar (dc comics) overvoid the source
  • Replies: 113
  • Forum: Content Revision
 
ByArrow said:
Swanyee9t76

Thread 'misconception about DC comic supreme being.'

Hello, everyone. Today, I want to address a critical discussion about debunking certain DC cosmological misconceptions, specifically regarding the Light of Creation, the Source, the Presence, and the Overvoid, while re-establishing the original interpretations. This thread will primarily focus on the Overvoid.

Given the numerous misunderstandings surrounding supreme hierarchical entities like the Source, the Presence, the Overvoid, and God, I’ll do my best to clarify and correct these misconceptions.


“Source as an Aspect of the Presence”​


In modern discussions, many claim that the...
  • Swanyee9t76
  • #dc comics #presence dc comics cosmology lucifer morningstar (dc comics) overvoid the source
  • Replies: 113
  • Forum: Content Revision
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There's some stuff I don't understand

In Death Metal #1, it was stated that the energies were born from both the Presence and the Source, indirectly affirming their unity. Yet, some readers argue that they are distinct entities.
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This needs a scan, and being born from 2 guys doesn't equate to Unity at all?

During Spectre's investigation into the mystery of the Presence, he encounters the Source, which appears as a flaming hand and unveils the true nature of God. This revelation exposes that the Source and the Presence are one and the same, both directly connected to God
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Yeah that can just be them talking about 2 different guys in the same sentence. Its also stated the Source is simply a manifestation of the Presence's power which is supported here
 
Lloydblitzed said:
There's some stuff I don't understand


This needs a scan, and being born from 2 guys doesn't equate to Unity at all?


Yeah that can just be them talking about 2 different guys in the same sentence. Its also stated the Source is simply a manifestation of the Presence's power which is supported here
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what's that then?

As I already wrote in thread that, connective energy came from both Source and Presence, not only at all, they even shared same functionalities, as true form and as manifestations. Scott Snyder affirmed that case like twice. I don't think this actually need factual evidence.

The Source itself isn't the godwave. It was generated after new gods died when manifestation of the source get split in half. The Godwave also might be the power of Source too.
 
Swanyee9t76 said:
what's that then?

As I already wrote in thread that, connective energy came from both Source and Presence,
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yeah bc Source is a manifestation of the Presence which makes sense
Swanyee9t76 said:
not only at all, they even shared same functionalities, as true form and as manifestations. Scott Snyder affirmed that case like twice. I don't think this actually need factual evidence.
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Im being honest that sounds like saying Apple = Banana bc they are both fruits
 
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