I dunno about 2A and 1C tbh. Normally, he is performing below Tier 2. Rather than a concrete rating something like Varies upto 2A suits him better tbh. Removing the whole "Earth Sorcerers amp" bullshit too. Since, contextually it was more of a downgrade compared to the power at his disposal during point of time.
I think Post-Flashpoint needs, yes
Agreed.
May I ask why Spectre's feat of threatening creation along with Phantom Stranger is not used?
I do not remember the specifics surrounding that sentence, but "threatening creation" is too unspecific a term in itself. It could just mean destabilising the local universe in an unknown manner.
Well, "threatening" wasn't the exact wording. It was "All creation may pay the price" or something to that effect.
I doubt that, it was a fight The Presence himself had to interfere in. I doubt the God of a verse would have to come down to stop a small fight.
Why is it hyperbolic?
This is not as impressive as it may suggest at first glance. He had prep in that he read the Floronic Man's paper on how the kingdom's of life (in this case, The Green) connect to one's consciousness.
For support Phantom Stranger was stated to have limitless power- https://media.discordapp.net/attach...18-54-44_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg
Why is it all flowery language?
Yes and so am I.
That's why I gave the first scan which is more definitive
Why is it flowery?
So, your proof is a blurb.WONDER WOMAN #758 | DC
Wonder Woman puts herself on the line to save Warmaster from an ancient power-the Phantom Stranger! But Diana is out of her depth, and the Stranger’s power knows no limit! Is our hero prepared to break eternal law to save her former friend? Or is the...www.dc.com
Yes and so am I.
That's why I gave the first scan which is more definitive
I don't see what's wrong with that, especially since a guidebook somewhat supports it.So, your proof is a blurb.
Yeah. Them being equal is weird. He has to bring a team to try subduing Spectre.
That's Post-Crisis. In Post-Flashpoint PS matched Spectre more than once.
We still need well-considered input regarding this issue.
"Matched" or "didn't immediately get killed in a confrontation?" Fighting someone for a few panels without dying doesn't scale you to them.
Matched, Phantom Stranger clearly tanked a lot of hits from Spectre and also hurt Spectre back. He has also made Spectre bleed- https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946141853504385144/1070361154431496323/image0.jpg
The blurb is from DC's official website and supported by a guidebook. I don't see the problem with using it.
DC's website is not canon material, guidebooks are shaky at best, and even if it were a statement from an actual comic or character, the phrase "may be without limit" or "limitless power" is not tierable. It doesn't matter if you "don't see the problem with using it." It isn't usable at all.
I would hold off. I read that comic run and I strongly got the impression that Stranger is a lot weaker than Spectre. I'll review it to see what the circumstances were and if there are any more clear comparisons of their power.
"Threatening" is not a feat. The Voice saying "all of creation might pay the price" is not tierable. Focus on actual feats and clear statements, not wanking vague non-evidence.
That's true. I actually looked at their profiles and it turns out Post Flashpoint Stranger is already scaled to Jim Corrigan for that fight, so there's nothing that needs to be done for that. Both of them scale to Post-Flashpoint Superman but otherwise don't have any significant feats during that era.
Why so? Why wouldn't an official website be canon?
The wiki accepts them, that's all that matters.
Infinite power is High 3-A.
Again, by threatening I meant the "all creation might pay the price" thing.
Why? It literally means all of creation would be destroyed. All of creation is a universe at the very least, but it has more consistently been used to refer to the Orrery(Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #2). Either way however, it's a Uni+-Multi+ feat.
Isn't Post-Flashpoint Superman getting upgraded to Tier 2? If so, that would upgrade Spectre and PS, though scaling them to Superman is kek
Promotional blurbs in the description of a comic on a website aren't actual comic book material written by authors. The wiki accepts guidebook statements for clarifying information and supporting evidence, but something vague like "power may be limitless" is unusable. Infinite power is not High 3-A without context to support it. There are numerous profiles on the wiki with statements of infinite power that are not H3-A. Focus on feats, and tangible evidence.
No. The ongoing Heralds discussion doesn't apply to New-52, only Rebirth. The scaling for Superrman to these two characters comes from N52. Also, the thread hasn't even remotely reached a consensus yet, so I don't know why you're assuming it will be accepted.
Guidebooks aren't comic book material written by authors either, yet they are accepted. Not everything has to be written by authors in comic books, it just has to be official.
This is wrong. WOG is only used for clarification and support, but guidebooks can be used by themselves as long as the source material doesn't contradict.
What other interpretation could "may pay the price" refer to? And statements can be used by themselves as long as it's stated by a reliable source, which The Presence is- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/S...racter CAN be upgraded by word of mouth alone.
No, the Phantom Stranger survived attacks from Rebirth Supes.
