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Did they? My memory of the arc is a bit foggy but IIRC both of them die in the past and we don't really know what happened to the future or the timeline. The past was clearly changed by their actions, but I'm not sure about whether that caused a timeline splitFuture Rogue and Future Lucy came to the past, they made multiple branching timelines
This is technically my fault, but I'd like to point out that I had specifically only mentioned King Crimson and GER in my original postEdit: Shit this isn't even a Jojo thread so I'm not sure why Pucci is being brought up despite his stuff being inherently different than Zeref's.
Agree here, Zeref makes constant note of how the old world will be destroyed and a new one will be made in its place, so not only is he destroying the old world, he's making a new one as well.The Destruction of the universe isn't the result of the new timeline.
"The moment I pass through these doors this world will crumble away and my new world will takes it place" in this quote Zeref states that the destruction of the timeline happens before the new universe is created, and not as a result of the current timeline being reverted. The destruction happens before the time reset as its the sequence of events that takes place
1. Zeref walks through the doors.
2. The current timeline gets destroyed.
3. The new world is made.
Why?I changed my mind and now disagree with the op
I saw zackra and dragon argumentsWhy?
The Destruction of the universe isn't the result of the new timeline.
"The moment I pass through these doors this world will crumble away and my new world will takes it place" in this quote Zeref states that the destruction of the timeline happens before the new universe is created, and not as a result of the current timeline being reverted. The destruction happens before the time reset as its the sequence of events that takes place
1. Zeref walks through the doors.
2. The current timeline gets destroyed.
3. The new world is made.
How would either of these contradict the idea that the destruction and creation is just the result of time paradox based chain reactions?Agree here, Zeref makes constant note of how the old world will be destroyed and a new one will be made in its place, so not only is he destroying the old world, he's making a new one as well.
Creating a new universe by means of a time-based chain reaction is not.Creating a new universe wouldn't be 3-A?
similar arguments that would make the arguments of 3A Neo Eclipse invalid, but I'll have to check more into Pucci's case. Anyway, we should stop derailing.Didn't we already have a Pucci Low 2-C CRT back in 2019?
What could have possibly changed in two years that would make any of the arguments for Low 2-C invalid?
Fair point I apologize for derailing it again though to be honest I am not sure if I agree with the OP after looking at the Pucci's CRT from 2019similar arguments that would make the arguments of 3A Neo Eclipse invalid, but I'll have to check more into Pucci's case. Anyway, we should stop derailing.
This pretty much sums up the Pucci downgrade from 2019Pucci's profile outright says that he is Low 2-C via time acceleration and with MiH itself being 8-C, he can't punch others in the face with time acceleration. Pucci is Low 2-C via being able to do something that's Low 2-C, just like a character would be "5-B via something" if it were able to blow up a planet and not kill or harm everyone in it, you would think that this is simple enough yet here we are.
Fair point I apologize for derailing it again though to be honest I am not sure if I agree with the OP after looking at the Pucci's CRT from 2019
Because like I said in my edit a character can still get an AP via environmental destruction similar to both Lord Drakko and Funny Valentine for example.
I'd argue that it should be listed as 3-A with Neo Eclipse or whatnot. Much like how MiH is still 8-C Zeref is whatever Tier he is but Neo Eclipse is 3-A due to environmental destruction still granting an AP.
I wasn't even the one who originally mentioned Pucci that honor goes to Damage who stated that he has no problem also downgrading Pucci for the same reasons Zeref should get downgraded.Why even mentioning Pucci, Made In Heaven doesn't even manipulate time, it's gravity. MiH affects gravity on a universal scale that in turns affects space-time, destroying the universe and creating a new one.
Thank you! this is explained very clearly, MiH time manipulation is irrelevant as it's byproduct of his universal gravity manipulation.Why even mentioning Pucci, Made In Heaven doesn't even manipulate time, it's gravity. MiH affects gravity on a universal scale that in turns affects space-time, destroying the universe and creating a new one.
I wasn't even the one who originally mentioned Pucci that honor goes to Damage who stated that he has no problem also downgrading Pucci for the same reasons Zeref should get downgraded.
Please doI guess we can go ahead and implement this change.
I'll make a Pucci thread if people want to discuss it after this thread is closed.
This seems fine to me as well.I guess we can go ahead and implement this change.
I'll make a Pucci thread if people want to discuss it after this thread is closed.
Why is Zeref still universal!!!I guess we can go ahead and implement this change.
I'll make a Pucci thread if people want to discuss it after this thread is closed.
Correction!
I wasn't the one who originally mentioned Pucci.
That honor goes to Arc7Kuroi who asked:
"Can someone rq explain the difference with Pucci’s case cuz he get a cosmic tier for his time reset."
Oh this will be fun just like 2019, hopefully people study up before then became seeing as their understanding of MiH doesn't align with the factsI guess we can go ahead and implement this change.
I'll make a Pucci thread if people want to discuss it after this thread is closed.
That's a fair point however you are the one claiming that MiH = Neo Eclipse without proof or context.
You didn't care about derailing to Pucci before and you didn't even try to give a good reasoning for why you believe MiH is the same thing as Neo Eclipse in your head.
He's just accelerating the natural process of reality as far as I can tell.
Correction!
Gives vibes of this, eh?:Imagining you shouting "Correction!" irl is a very hilarious image lmao
Yup, absolutely XDGives vibes of this, eh?:
You are framing it as if what MiH is the same thing as Neo Eclipse by saying that the Time Acceleration speeding up the natural process is consequential to who MiH is doing.Correction!
I never said that Made in Heaven works the exact same way as Neo Eclipse.
I said this:
Which is not how Neo Eclipse works.
M3X and LordGin phrases this a lot better than I but you keep ignoring it for some reasonWhy even mentioning Pucci, Made In Heaven doesn't even manipulate time, it's gravity. MiH affects gravity on a universal scale that in turns affects space-time, destroying the universe and creating a new one.
Here you go if you actually want to read up and educate yourself before you keep showing your ignorance about the Jojoverse and how MiH worksThank you! this is explained very clearly, MiH time manipulation is irrelevant as it's byproduct of his universal gravity manipulation.
Why it's been getting compared to Neo Eclipse for the longest time is beyond me.
And this fitting as the Anti-Pucci gang has used the same argument that you came to me with in the 2019 revisions of the Jojoverse.I have no idea what even are the arguments in the OP.
Pucci's profile outright says that he is Low 2-C via time acceleration and with MiH itself being 8-C, he can't punch others in the face with time acceleration. Pucci is Low 2-C via being able to do something that's Low 2-C, just like a character would be "5-B via something" if it were able to blow up a planet and not kill or harm everyone in it, you would think that this is simple enough yet here we are.