DMCV Vergil vs Beerus (12-4-0)(Concluded)

[Sevil Natas]

if you guys wanna argue which is faster, it'll be incon because said motions can be just as fast as each other, its subjective really

anyway im voting vergil because i realised he'll probably go DT which wins him the match

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Or you know... Just lift your damn hand?

Or you know Vergil just flicks his sword out faster than him since his hand needs to travel less distance.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Distance traveled doesn't equate to time taken. You're just exaggerating and using wordplay at this point to make a simple raise of the hand sound slower than it actually is.

 

[Naito-desu]

How many votes was it for Beerus? Four? Me, Sanic, Crimson, and Arcker

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Distance traveled doesn't equate to time taken. You're just exaggerating and using wordplay at this point to make a simple raise of the hand sound slower than it actually is.

Speed is distance travelled over time taken.....
And speed is equal here.....maybe you are the one who is making Vergil's arm movements to be slower when they require less distance to move in same timeframe....

 

[Sevil Natas]

5 for beerus (naito,arcker, crimson , planck, sanic)
4 for vergil (gliver, me , havoc & mister)

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

can someone give proof of Beerus using Hakai in a battle? not in a execution like it was with Zamasu or a gag chapter like the arale one?

He didn't use it against Goku, nor against the gods in the manga, neither against champa in any of his fights and even less againts the Z fighters during his first introduction.

 

[TheGatememer]

hakai gg fra

 

[Sevil Natas]

so whats stopping vergil from going DT in this case?
he's gonna go SDT if he senses any sort of danger from beerus

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Oh and another arguement, Vergil can sense power lvl of Dante who has resistance to extrasensory perceptions.....so he can sense Beerus's powerlvl.....he can just go SDT and fearhax him into complete submission.

 

[Vietthai96]

Still slower than Vergil...
Let me give you an example...its like a Gunsliger does Quickdraw but in this case Vergil does not draw his sword out completely but just a few centimeters and BAM.

Doesn't need to....limitations of animation.

OH BOY.....not this "gameplay" arguement....
Vergil has never shown Teleportation in cutscenes....has never used Summoned Swords in cutscenes....all of it gameplay....so by your logic we should discard it??
Dante has never shown teleportation or RoyalGuard abilities in cutscenes so should wrescarp them too??
And no all moves in the OFFICIAL movelist are cannon....its not a glitch.

Yeah lets discard a official move in the game.

No pulling and sheathing required....only drawing the sword a few centimetres.

1. According to how Vergil doing his thing, he need to move hid right hand to the left, and then grab the sheath of the sword, pull it out, and then sheathing it. No need to prove he could do it otherwise
2. Like i said, still need to make a stand, not thing prove he could perform JC in another pose, and don't bring out 2 of those cutscenes, nothing prove he perform JC while striking Hell Vanguard and Beowulf.
3. I don't deny Dante ability to teleport or Vergil ability to JC something he want, but perfect JC and normal JC is gameplay mechanic, you should know when to take something as feats and when to identify it just a gameplay mechanic/feature. or else let scale all those minor demons Dante encounter in his adventure to Low 2-C cause they could take out a chunk of Dante heath bar, and enduring a ton of hits from him.
4. He still need to move his right hand, reach the sheath, grip it and pull it. You make thing like Vergil right hand already grip the sword

 

[Mister6ame6]

can someone give proof of Beerus using Hakai in a battle? not in a execution like it was with Zamasu or a gag chapter like the arale one?

He didn't use it against Goku, nor against the gods in the manga, neither against champa in any of his fights and even less againts the Z fighters during his first introduction.

Yeap, that's the thing i also want to know, nobody here brought anything that support that he start with hakai in battle.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

can someone give proof of Beerus using Hakai in a battle? not in a execution like it was with Zamasu or a gag chapter like the arale one?

He didn't use it against Goku, nor against the gods in the manga, neither against champa in any of his fights and even less againts the Z fighters during his first introduction.

GoDs are immune. He didn't use it against Goku because he was playing around for starters, and secondly Goku was the one being he prophesized as being a good rival to him, so why would he attempt to EE him?

 

[Galens]

Vergil does not need any stance or charge the attack to perform a Judgment Cut, as that is literally within the mechanics of the game. In the manga, Vergil has shown that he only needs to have one hand on Yamato to execute him without even drawing his sword.



In the images it can be clearly seen that Vergil performs Judgment Cut leaving a spherical mark on the structure, which has the same shape as Vergil's attack.

 

[Vietthai96]

Oh and another arguement, Vergil can sense power lvl of Dante who has resistance to extrasensory perceptions.....so he can sense Beerus's powerlvl.....he can just go SDT and fearhax him into complete submission.

And Beerus could sense too, also where is the proof of Vergil sense Dante
Also Vergil still need to slight charge up and goes SDT, the time it take for him to go SDT, Beerus also can hakai

Yeap, that's the thing i also want to know, nobody here brought anything that support that he start with hakai in battle.

He start it immediately with Zamasu, the ghost and Arale also nearly get erased cause they annoyed him, Goku survive cause plot

 

[EFÍTÉ]

What is stopping Vergil from dura negging + soul haxing on the first hit ? Vergil's entire kit have dura neg and soul hax, Vergil literally goes for the kill on the moment the fight starts, he does have more usefull hax to use in battle, and Vergil's power sensing can quantifie how powerfull the enemy is, which leads to another point, if he belies SDT is necessary Beerus will get passive haxed and lose the fight.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

GoDs are immune. He didn't use it against Goku because he was playing around for starters, and secondly Goku was the one being he prophesized as being a good rival to him, so why would he attempt to EE him?

Beerus wasn't sure that Goku was the one in the prophecy, the Z fighters all gang banged him and he didn't try it with any of them when some of them did worse than the ghost in the arale chapter (Gotenks for example who mocked him or Buu who pissed him off)

Nothing proves he will start with Hakai

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

1. According to how Vergil doing his thing, he need to move hid right hand to the left, and then grab the sheath of the sword, pull it out, and then sheathing it. No need to prove he could do it otherwise

Lets skip the discussion ofgrabbing of the sword shall we ...... we are already on the same page on that.

But, Vergil doesn't need to pull out his sword out completely!!! Only swipe it from the hilt out only a few centimeters.

2. Like i said, still need to make a stand, not thing prove he could perform JC in another pose, and don't bring out 2 of those cutscenes, nothing prove he perform JC while striking Hell Vanguard and Beowulf.

When he does them jumping and moving hiw does that require stance??

3. I don't deny Dante ability to teleport or Vergil ability to JC something he want, but perfect JC and normal JC is gameplay mechanic, you should know when to take something as feats and when to identify it just a gameplay mechanic/feature. or else let scale all those minor demons Dante encounter in his adventure to Low 2-C cause they could take out a chunk of Dante heath bar, and enduring a ton of hits from him.

Don't strawman me and derail, we are talking about movelist not how much damage fodders can do to characters.
No it is not a gameplay mechanic.....its international.....characters have move called Enemy Step that allows them to jump off of enemies.....was never a official move in the older games but pretty sensible and realistic.
Same way is perfect jc.

4. He still need to move his right hand, reach the sheath, grip it and pull it. You make thing like Vergil right hand already grip the sword

Again a strawman......when did I say he already gripped the sword handle??
I have been argueing the speed of its motion for 2hrs over multiple comments , when did I say or even imply he already hold it.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

So to summ up, Vergil in base basically touches Beerus and he dies, in SDT Beerus automatic loses the fight.

And vergil normaly already out ranges.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He start it immediately with Zamasu, the ghost and Arale also nearly get erased cause they annoyed him, Goku survive cause plot

Zamasu, who they had watched for a while and had knowledge about him being a threat to the universe and a random ghost who did less than the Z fighters.

Plot or not Beerus didn't use it so it still goes against him using it in battle

 

[Vietthai96]

What is stopping Vergil from dura negging + soul haxing on the first hit ? Vergil's entire kit have dura neg and soul hax, Vergil literally goes for the kill on the moment the fight starts, he does have more usefull hax to use in battle, and Vergil's power sensing can quantifie how powerfull the enemy is, which leads to another point, if he belies SDT is necessary Beerus will get passive haxed and lose the fight.

No one denying he perform his hax, problem is who pull the first move cause Beerus EE could also blast Vergil out of the fight, and no, while he is serious, he still like to flexing his sword skill for a while before going for the kill

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Vergil does not need any stance or charge the attack to perform a Judgment Cut, as that is literally within the mechanics of the game. In the manga, Vergil has shown that he only needs to have one hand on Yamato to execute him without even drawing his sword.



In the images it can be clearly seen that Vergil performs Judgment Cut leaving a spherical mark on the structure, which has the same shape as Vergil's attack.

Thank you!!! I have been harried for hrs to prove this.....thank you!!!

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So yeah, I'm voting for Vergil.

Beerus never started a fight with Hakai and this won't be the exception while Vergil just does anything

 

[EFÍTÉ]

No one denying he perform his hax, problem is who pull the first move cause Beerus EE could also blast Vergil out of the fight

Vergil automatic goes for the kill in both in character and not in character, all hits will havee soul hax and dura neg.

 

[Sevil Natas]

No one denying he perform his hax, problem is who pull the first move cause Beerus EE could also blast Vergil out of the fight, and no, while he is serious, he still like to flexing his sword skill for a while before going for the kill

he probably will not do that if he senses beerus' power though
he'll just go SDT & beerus would get fear haxed

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

And Beerus could sense too, also where is the proof of Vergil sense Dante
Also Vergil still need to slight charge up and goes SDT, the time it take for him to go SDT, Beerus also can hakai

Not everything needs to be spelled out.....Forget about power sensing they can sync with each other as if they were one and same person...they can read each other like a book....but jere is the proof anyway.

You are reaching at this point.....SDT is instantaneous, always has been....and no movement is required here so no excuses.
The demonic blast at 10m alone will soul hax and fear hax him to death.

 

[Vietthai96]

he probably will not do that if he senses beerus' power though
he'll just go SDT & beerus would get fear haxed

Actually going SDT is even more risk, cause it take time to transform into SDT, only when SDT is fully active the passive hax will be in effect, that mean the hax still being tied to how fast Vergil pull his SDT though

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

And Vergil can fear hax in base too just like DMC2 Dante....forgot about that too..

 

[Sevil Natas]

Actually going SDT is even more risk, cause it take time to transform into SDT, only when SDT is fully active the passive hax will be in effect, that mean the hax still being tied to how fast Vergil pull his SDT though

its a thought based nigh instant transformation lol

 

[EFÍTÉ]

And Vergil can fear hax in base too just like DMC2 Dante....forgot about that too..

Oh yeah, both dante's and Chen's own aura literally fear haxed things and loyal people around it

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Actually going SDT is even more risk, cause it take time to transform into SDT, only when SDT is fully active the passive hax will be in effect, that mean the hax still being tied to how fast Vergil pull his SDT though

Here is SDT activation....pretty instantaneous.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

anyway what is stopping vergil from outranging and one hit killing Beerus with JC ?

 

[EFÍTÉ]

Vergil automatic goes for the kill in both in character and not in character, all hits will havee soul hax and dura neg.

and this.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Well, if everything I heard right now is true, then...

Is Vergil's sensing passive, and can he activate the fear hax with a thought?

What does he start with in character, JC?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Tldr;
Vergil goes serius after power sensing( he can sense Dante who has resistance to extrasensory perception).....and fear haxxes him in base.....goes SDT( thought based and instantaneous) and with battle range of only 10m Beerus gets fear haxxex and soul haxxed from the DT blast and dies on the spot.

 

[Sevil Natas]

Well, if everything I heard right now is true, then...

Is Vergil's sensing passive, and can he activate the fear hax with a thought?

What does he start with in character, JC?

yes ESP is passive iirc and yea he's probably comparable to dante

in character he starts with JC though if he senses that his enemy is stronger than him he'll probably go SDT which amps his Speed & AP also it gives him passive fear hax

 

[EFÍTÉ]

He is already serious for real, he never toys and fools around like dante, always going for the kill.

Majority of the time he starts with Yamato (JC and JCE) and spiral swords to anything else and he already starts with soul hax and dura neg (since he always goes for the kill without giving any chance to the enemy). Vergil entire kit also have soul hax and dura neg, spiral swords can be used for diferent ways and for defending himself too, the fights is basically, Beerus get hit and dies and vergil can do that with anything, Vergil also would already out range beerus with spiral swords or JC.

 

[Sevil Natas]

range is not a huge factor here, they're both 10m apart and they both have ranged abilities

 

[EFÍTÉ]

yes ESP is passive iirc and yea he's probably comparable to dante

in character he starts with JC though if he senses that his enemy is stronger than him he'll probably go SDT which amps his Speed & AP also it gives him passive fear hax

Since the stats are equalized, SDT wouldnt give Speed amp.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

range is not a huge factor here, they're both 10m apart and they both have ranged abilities

Eh, fair enought.