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General CRT.
This CRT is meant to accomadate changes/findings that were made within the last few months that I think need to be implemented given the avaliable data.
The points are as follows
1) Type 9 Immortality and Type 9 Immortality Negation
Demons in DMC oftentimes project their consciousness or spirit across the Dimensional Wall they are in, (most prominently shown using Sand, Marionettes, etc.) whilst leaving other parts of themselves within the Demon World. These are then used as "avatars" for the Demons to torment humanity, through these mediums that allow them to repeatedly strike at muggles even if their physical form is disturbed. For all intents and purposes, as the Demon World notably has it's own incoherent flows of time, is dimensionally separate, etc. this SHOULD fulfill the qualifications of Type 9 Immortality. And as Dante and Vergil are able to murder them, obviously they get Type 9 Negation.
2) Demon Physiology Changes
A) Limited Subjective Reality: Demons via their imagination/subconscious decide how their powers evolve. Demons in Devil May Cry are inherently tied to their desires, as is Demonic Power. This is seen in the Ascension Ceremony, where it’s outright stated their powers are related to their body and mind, which is why Credo is so powerful. The results were the manifestation of his resolve. And Agnus goes over this again in awe of Sanctus' powers, and states it’s in relation to SPIRIT. However, this isn’t some random mention, as it’s brought up AGAIN at the last pangs of Credo’s death, with Dante stating Credo’s Angelic Death was only possible because he imagined it that way. This is directly brought up AGAIN in DMC5 in the Enemy Gallery breakdowns, not once, but twice. This is directly tied to how Demons, (and thus how Dante, who shares their physiology), evolves as a species-Based on their Desires.
And this is in itself an echo of a key theme of Devil May Cry, which is that emotion, positive human emotions, yield true power over the negative emotions Demons worship. Emotions obviously being connected to the mind and desire. As such, their minds influence reality, but in a manner befitting Subjective Reality. It is "Limited" because it's only tied to their evolutionary capacity. (While this has always been a key theme, there was never any scan that actually heralded this as truth. But now we have one.) So for Demon Physiology I propose that, similar to how we have Fear Empowerment, we have the same for positive Emotions.
B) Type 1 Acasuality: According to the DMC2, the Phantom we fight in that game is not another spider of that species. Specifically, it says, that the Phantom is from the Past, and is in fact the same one we killed on Mallet Island. Dante then kills him. The consequences of this are quite simple. Due to being killed in the future and being removed from the past, he should not have been able to exist in DMC1 (and if you propose he was sent back, it still wouldn't make much sense because he would've recognized Dante as a Son of Sparda a lot sooner)-Either way, history has been altered. But there is no notable changes to Dante's timeline-Dante is unaffected to these alterations to the past. As this is a one off event with very little context as to how this works, mechanically, I believe it should only be given to High Tier Sparda Physiology. (As it is an ability unrelated to any item he is utilizing here, and Vergil has the same powers. Nero also has similar abilities to them as the next generation.)
C) Death Hax Resistance
In Vol. 2, Trish's Alastor is said to have the ability to cause Instant Death. Dante is able to survive attacks from this. Naturally, Sparda physiology should reflect this.
D) Mind Cutting from Vol. 2
As you may have realized in the previous point, the translation of the Vol. 2 novel was found to be untrustworthy, making numerous alterations to the source material in phrasing and in the overall message. One of these changes was the climax of Dante Vs Void Mundus—Where Dante apparently strikes and shatters his very consciousness and thought capacity, severing it. Specifically, it is written as Dante is able to strike at the mind itself with his blade, severing and shattering thought:
"The finishing blade that severs one's consciousness even when his body was shattered into pieces, he couldn't reach an understanding," and "Mundus knew that his very thoughts were shattered..."
So for Sparda Physiology, high tier (as that is when Dante performs the feat) I propose adding that within their capacity.
E) Soul Hearing, Soul Detection, Soul Resonance, and Energy Flow(?)
In Deadly Fortune, Dante is able to hear Nero's Soul screaming, with both times Nero's soul being in disarray. (Having in one instance full on died and in the other his Soul was entirely melted). This occurs twice, and Dante claims Vergil's Soul also once screamed to him and he heard it. Within these scans Dante also indicates he can detect the flow of energy, as when Nero's Soul "screams," he can detect the fluctuation of energy it causes in the Savior. Nero's awakening and unlocking of his Pseudo-DT also forced Dante to DT, attempting to echo Dante's inner Demon within itself. Also note, Dante can feel the "Type," of Soul. Specifically, how their Souls are similar-Echoing how Dante and Vergil are said to have identical Souls.
3) Speed Changes
While Pluto's Speed is gone, Argosax can freely take up the mantle.
In the DMC2 Game Guide we recently got ahold of, we got this page alongside this. We had Red, a Translator who has done multiple before of considerable quality, translate them both (the second translation is in the link with the image). For the initial scan we got this.
"It's true form, embodied by the catalyst of the abomination Argosax the Chaos. It is a hermaphrodite with a perfect body and shining figure. Despite the godlike appearance, destruction, chaos and despair is the desire of the ultimate demon. His ability to dominate the demon world is not for nothing, instantaneous movement that transcends time and distance, he plays with Dante by converging the light that surrounds him."
This is compounded by the statements of "swift movement" he is "characterized" by. Clearly, the intent was for Argosax' teleports to be in a similar vein to Pluto's own movements. Movement that transcends time and distance (space) for Dante to react to. Further, Dante notably blitzes Argosax.
The next feat in question is from a retranslated version of Vol. 2. I don't know what qualification it is (I have been told it is infinite, but I'm not sure how valid that claim is), but in the second Novel Dante fights Void Mundus. Void Mundus is illustrated to the reader to be living darkness. The Void. An all encompassing darkness that surrounded the entire body. It envelopes light and exists as water would to a cup, filling it's container. (He is specifically given a word to regard to his body as fluid in nature.) Essentially, within Alt. Mundus' keep he is written to be Spatially Omnipresent. Dante proceeds to fight and dodge every attack Mundus can throw at him despite this, reacting to the Void's attacks on what is only instinctive reactions not even he understands.
To best paint the image of what Dante is doing within these passages, imagine being submerged within the depths of the ocean, and then moving so fast that you straight up dodge the water itself without leaving the water, or phasing.
4) Holy Stars
Holy Stars are an item Dante has used throughout the series, and Nero had it as well, but they were not given to the DMC Crew for some reason despite the Smell of Fear, Untouchable, and Holy Waters being given. There is no reason for this to be the case-So I'm proposing they be added in. The purpose of Holy Stars are the purification of the body to remove ailments.
5) Qliphoth
I want to add a profile for the Qliphoth, as it's an important part of DMC5, Urizen/Vergil, and the lore at large. This is a prototype Profile made with portions of a Qliphoth profile made by Lightning.
6) PoC Adjustments
As all PoC material is being removed, DMC will drop to Low 1-C (until the Tier 1 revision happens). This only affects God Tiers, obviously.
All PoC material being removed significantly weakens some of the hax: Regeneration goes down to Low Godly, Mid Godly overtime from the Nelo Angelo and Mundus feats. Concept Hax moves down to type 2, I believe we lose type 8 immortality, the various Info, Data, etc. hax gets removed as they were tied to Soulhax, as mentioned before Pluto's speed is gone, so is Nightmare's lifting strength, and the immense hax the Book of Demons and Optional Equipment gave to Dante, Vergil, and Lady are all to be removed as well. For now, at least. When PoC officially drops, soon, it'll be readded. (If it is still there.)
This CRT is meant to accomadate changes/findings that were made within the last few months that I think need to be implemented given the avaliable data.
The points are as follows
1) Type 9 Immortality and Type 9 Immortality Negation
Demons in DMC oftentimes project their consciousness or spirit across the Dimensional Wall they are in, (most prominently shown using Sand, Marionettes, etc.) whilst leaving other parts of themselves within the Demon World. These are then used as "avatars" for the Demons to torment humanity, through these mediums that allow them to repeatedly strike at muggles even if their physical form is disturbed. For all intents and purposes, as the Demon World notably has it's own incoherent flows of time, is dimensionally separate, etc. this SHOULD fulfill the qualifications of Type 9 Immortality. And as Dante and Vergil are able to murder them, obviously they get Type 9 Negation.
2) Demon Physiology Changes
A) Limited Subjective Reality: Demons via their imagination/subconscious decide how their powers evolve. Demons in Devil May Cry are inherently tied to their desires, as is Demonic Power. This is seen in the Ascension Ceremony, where it’s outright stated their powers are related to their body and mind, which is why Credo is so powerful. The results were the manifestation of his resolve. And Agnus goes over this again in awe of Sanctus' powers, and states it’s in relation to SPIRIT. However, this isn’t some random mention, as it’s brought up AGAIN at the last pangs of Credo’s death, with Dante stating Credo’s Angelic Death was only possible because he imagined it that way. This is directly brought up AGAIN in DMC5 in the Enemy Gallery breakdowns, not once, but twice. This is directly tied to how Demons, (and thus how Dante, who shares their physiology), evolves as a species-Based on their Desires.
And this is in itself an echo of a key theme of Devil May Cry, which is that emotion, positive human emotions, yield true power over the negative emotions Demons worship. Emotions obviously being connected to the mind and desire. As such, their minds influence reality, but in a manner befitting Subjective Reality. It is "Limited" because it's only tied to their evolutionary capacity. (While this has always been a key theme, there was never any scan that actually heralded this as truth. But now we have one.) So for Demon Physiology I propose that, similar to how we have Fear Empowerment, we have the same for positive Emotions.
B) Type 1 Acasuality: According to the DMC2, the Phantom we fight in that game is not another spider of that species. Specifically, it says, that the Phantom is from the Past, and is in fact the same one we killed on Mallet Island. Dante then kills him. The consequences of this are quite simple. Due to being killed in the future and being removed from the past, he should not have been able to exist in DMC1 (and if you propose he was sent back, it still wouldn't make much sense because he would've recognized Dante as a Son of Sparda a lot sooner)-Either way, history has been altered. But there is no notable changes to Dante's timeline-Dante is unaffected to these alterations to the past. As this is a one off event with very little context as to how this works, mechanically, I believe it should only be given to High Tier Sparda Physiology. (As it is an ability unrelated to any item he is utilizing here, and Vergil has the same powers. Nero also has similar abilities to them as the next generation.)
C) Death Hax Resistance
In Vol. 2, Trish's Alastor is said to have the ability to cause Instant Death. Dante is able to survive attacks from this. Naturally, Sparda physiology should reflect this.
D) Mind Cutting from Vol. 2
As you may have realized in the previous point, the translation of the Vol. 2 novel was found to be untrustworthy, making numerous alterations to the source material in phrasing and in the overall message. One of these changes was the climax of Dante Vs Void Mundus—Where Dante apparently strikes and shatters his very consciousness and thought capacity, severing it. Specifically, it is written as Dante is able to strike at the mind itself with his blade, severing and shattering thought:
"The finishing blade that severs one's consciousness even when his body was shattered into pieces, he couldn't reach an understanding," and "Mundus knew that his very thoughts were shattered..."
So for Sparda Physiology, high tier (as that is when Dante performs the feat) I propose adding that within their capacity.
E) Soul Hearing, Soul Detection, Soul Resonance, and Energy Flow(?)
In Deadly Fortune, Dante is able to hear Nero's Soul screaming, with both times Nero's soul being in disarray. (Having in one instance full on died and in the other his Soul was entirely melted). This occurs twice, and Dante claims Vergil's Soul also once screamed to him and he heard it. Within these scans Dante also indicates he can detect the flow of energy, as when Nero's Soul "screams," he can detect the fluctuation of energy it causes in the Savior. Nero's awakening and unlocking of his Pseudo-DT also forced Dante to DT, attempting to echo Dante's inner Demon within itself. Also note, Dante can feel the "Type," of Soul. Specifically, how their Souls are similar-Echoing how Dante and Vergil are said to have identical Souls.
3) Speed Changes
While Pluto's Speed is gone, Argosax can freely take up the mantle.
In the DMC2 Game Guide we recently got ahold of, we got this page alongside this. We had Red, a Translator who has done multiple before of considerable quality, translate them both (the second translation is in the link with the image). For the initial scan we got this.
"It's true form, embodied by the catalyst of the abomination Argosax the Chaos. It is a hermaphrodite with a perfect body and shining figure. Despite the godlike appearance, destruction, chaos and despair is the desire of the ultimate demon. His ability to dominate the demon world is not for nothing, instantaneous movement that transcends time and distance, he plays with Dante by converging the light that surrounds him."
This is compounded by the statements of "swift movement" he is "characterized" by. Clearly, the intent was for Argosax' teleports to be in a similar vein to Pluto's own movements. Movement that transcends time and distance (space) for Dante to react to. Further, Dante notably blitzes Argosax.
The next feat in question is from a retranslated version of Vol. 2. I don't know what qualification it is (I have been told it is infinite, but I'm not sure how valid that claim is), but in the second Novel Dante fights Void Mundus. Void Mundus is illustrated to the reader to be living darkness. The Void. An all encompassing darkness that surrounded the entire body. It envelopes light and exists as water would to a cup, filling it's container. (He is specifically given a word to regard to his body as fluid in nature.) Essentially, within Alt. Mundus' keep he is written to be Spatially Omnipresent. Dante proceeds to fight and dodge every attack Mundus can throw at him despite this, reacting to the Void's attacks on what is only instinctive reactions not even he understands.
To best paint the image of what Dante is doing within these passages, imagine being submerged within the depths of the ocean, and then moving so fast that you straight up dodge the water itself without leaving the water, or phasing.
4) Holy Stars
Holy Stars are an item Dante has used throughout the series, and Nero had it as well, but they were not given to the DMC Crew for some reason despite the Smell of Fear, Untouchable, and Holy Waters being given. There is no reason for this to be the case-So I'm proposing they be added in. The purpose of Holy Stars are the purification of the body to remove ailments.
5) Qliphoth
I want to add a profile for the Qliphoth, as it's an important part of DMC5, Urizen/Vergil, and the lore at large. This is a prototype Profile made with portions of a Qliphoth profile made by Lightning.
6) PoC Adjustments
As all PoC material is being removed, DMC will drop to Low 1-C (until the Tier 1 revision happens). This only affects God Tiers, obviously.
All PoC material being removed significantly weakens some of the hax: Regeneration goes down to Low Godly, Mid Godly overtime from the Nelo Angelo and Mundus feats. Concept Hax moves down to type 2, I believe we lose type 8 immortality, the various Info, Data, etc. hax gets removed as they were tied to Soulhax, as mentioned before Pluto's speed is gone, so is Nightmare's lifting strength, and the immense hax the Book of Demons and Optional Equipment gave to Dante, Vergil, and Lady are all to be removed as well. For now, at least. When PoC officially drops, soon, it'll be readded. (If it is still there.)
