whatever points i've dealt with are out of order so
Already proved that... maybe read...?
you said this
The
raw states; "
and buried 7 strong hashira".
and basically told us to bleive you, that's not evidence, that's what you think is correct,
nehz did a far better job at actually explaining this
You can point me to something more reliable and accurate if you happen to have a link like for example the one I've asked for and you haven't provided yet. I've also went ahead and listened to the anime for the Japanese word for strong "tsuyoi" which I've already heard a lot due to having a preference for subtitles. Muzan uses the word for Daki but it doesn't show up in front of the word Hashira, so there not being an adjective for them is presumably the correct translation unless the anime changed something or there is some linguistic detail I missed due to a lack of Japanese skills.
care to properly elaborate on the translation because the anime acutally fits this and simply states
7 hashira instead of describing as being strong
And suggesting the anime being far more accurate by using different cases is a composition fallacy.
don't give fallacies a cursory glance be done with them, that's not what that means, a composition will only take effect if i claimed something has a certain property that and because it has it a composite of it would, as bricks are light, a house is made of bricks, so the house is also light
what i did there was literally standard data analaysis and observation, the anime is a far better source of translation because it has
significantly less translation mistakes and thus is a far more reliable source than VIZ ever was, VIZ sucks at translating, it even messes up the god damn forms and makes such balant translayion mistakes such as stating zenitsu can only use god speed once
periode, (he used it twice)
i have no idea why you're insistent on using it, but it's far from what i'd call a reliable source for translations unless this is a rare occurance in which case you have to at least show that that is indeed the case, because can't see it, the link doesn't work either
Argument from silence. His argument consists of Tengen calling her weak when she's weakened hence there's no anti feat. Already proved she's UM caliber
if you're insisting on his claim being made on the basis of her being weakened prove it, he slashed her head off a second time and said nothing about her supposed
siginificantly improved stats once she was healed, an argument from silence would only work in your case if tengen said nothing,
periode, what he did say is she is weak and not uppermoon caliber, him not retracting that statement even after cutting her head off a second time and seeing her supposed full power again works against your favor in so many ways, if you're stating him not retracting the statement doesn't matter feel free to provide an adequate explanation for why that's the case
Already proved she's UM caliber but you seemingly didn't read and I have no interest in discussing this with you.
feel free to quote them, i will deal with them one by one when given the time
Not my burden, it's his burden to prove that he needed it as he asserted. I'm on the negation here.
you asserted he doesn't need it as well, or ig you stated
just because he used it doesn't mean he needs it, from what i'm seeing, your position is founded on the idea that tanjiro used the HK even when he doesn't need it, given the context surrounding the breath, it's after effects tanjiro's analytical abilities and his habits of analyzing his opponents mid fight the answer heavily tilts in the favor of him deducing he needed an output the water breath couldn't provide, if you think otherwise, again, feel free to provide sufficieant reasons for why tanjiro would use something that incapitates him after a single use despite him not needing to use it
what kind of information does the series up to that point have that made you reach that conclusion?
That's not a false equivalence. It works exactly the same. Utilizing a form doesn't even mean he was forced to. Nothing implies anything here. He thought he can cut Enmu's neck with a basic water breathing form lol. He never states it, he never implies it, making it a baseless assertion so hitchen's razor on this claim.
i explained why the circumstances are different, thus making it a false equivalance, saying what's summarized as "nuh uh it isn't" doesn't mean much, i already explained everything above, actually i will copy paste it here as well
you asserted he doesn't need it as well, or ig you stated just because he used it doesn't mean he needs it, from what i'm seeing, your position is founded on the idea that tanjiro used the HK even when he doesn't need it, given the context surrounding the breath, it's after effects tanjiro's analytical abilities and his habits of analyzing his opponents mid fight the answer heavily tilts in the favor of him deducing he needed an output the water breath couldn't provide, if you think otherwise, again, feel free to provide sufficieant reasons for why tanjiro would use something that incapitates him after a single use despite him not needing to use it
what kind of information does the series up to that point have that made you reach that conclusion?
Uhhh yea lol. That's obvious, you just made a non-issue.
so you acknowledge being comparable to uppermoons was never a requirement?
This is more-so due to the nature of Daki's neck function relying on speed to be cut. Also I'm not certain if his neck is even harder than Daki's neck.
if you'd like to claim daki's neck is tougher to cut trough without her blood demon art (or even with it) you'd need sufficient enough information and reasoning to do so, the trio struggled because daki's obi converts the stress from being dominated by shear to dominated by tensile due to the elastic deformation of the band, which can be overcome by strking faster than what the obi can bend which aelegates the cutting power entirely into overcoming shear strength rather than tensile strength, her neck, even with the obi hax added to it pales in comparison to every single uppermoon
I don't think there's anything wrong with Godspeed Zen scaling above Akaza.
provide the information that led to that conclusion if you're speaking about zenitsu from season 2
He's consistently portrayed as insanely fast. With the novel stating Zenitsu's Thunder Breathing itself has the best instant acceleration among all breathing,
that isn't sufficient, that simply implies he has the breath style most suited for speed boosts
him being constantly above Tanjiro and Inosuke etc.
not sufficient, both of them are far below the relevant characters in terms of stats him being faster than they are provides no further input on his power standing verse wide other than him being faster than the 2
The only reason they might not beat Akaza is due to Zen not using Godspeed in character at the start of a battle.
you've yet to establish to provide a sufficiently enough logical basis to come to that conclusion
the narrative itself goes against the kizuki ranking
any relevant information to prove this?
, prior to the battle Daki was stated to have grown far stronger, makes sense due to consuming humans, but she'd receive blood on top due to Muzan giving blood when he sees improvement as stated. So UM6 can't be backscaled to any other UM.
he is still uppermoon 6, so he can, unless you can bring any form of information that implies he is now stronger than uppermoon 5, he is still uppermoon 6, and thus, weaker than the 5th based on a verse established strenght higherarchy
The other UM's obviously grow too hence they can't be connected to others via ranking either. Feats would be the best way of finding how they do against each other.
yes they can, they may grow in power but if the ranking is the same there is little information to prove they now outrank the guy above them, the information we do have is akaza hates koku and doma's guts so had he been stronger he would have replaced them a long time ago doma is a weirdo uppermoon 5 wished akaza was the one to die and upper 4 is a weirdo as well, but he is still upper 4, and based on the in verse established scaling he is stronger than upper 5, if, and that's a very big if, you can provide any sort of information from the series that hints to the opposite you're very much welcome to do so
as i was saying, based on the prior info, the demons wanting to gain muzan's favor as another factor, them nit gunninh for a higher rank is stupid and any power up they got would be meaningless for scaling the characters unless some kind of information the series provided says otherwise
Uhh? That's because Enmu is actually weaker than Rui? Don't see how Rui is relevant here.
nothing suggests this, and i mean absolutely nothing, is there some kind of information you have that suggests rui is stronger than an amped lower moon 1?
That's LM2, Hairo. Why can't he be UM lvl?
he can't be uppermoon caliber because nothing in the series established that he is, i have no idea where and how you're coming up with the most baseless conclusions but please, show me something that implies or even hints at hairo being uppermoon caliber
anemi did in fact keep up with LM1, grew stronger but Rengoku still man-handled him
right, you're arguing that sanemi was seriously trying to kill rengoku and was giving it his all there?
leaving that aside, it's preposterous to argue that Sanemi is on merely lower Moon 2's level when he does better against Kokushibo than
Marked Muichiro is positively absurd, sanemi is able to go toe to toe with Upper Moon 1 without any buffs, and while he doesn't win, he manages to fend off Kokushibo's attacks for an extended period of time.
koku is is the guy that blitzed Muichiro, who blitzes Upper Moon 5, who is in turn fast enough that he would have fodderized any Lower Moon (you can try to argue with this assertion, i'm merely going to bring up the prior points about how speed works)
Unless Sanemi's stats and skill spiked by several orders of magnitude in between Rengoku becoming a Pillar, he could have trivially defeated Rengoku in that fight and just chose not to
, but yet all of the hashira consistently have feats on UM lvl opponents and have to fight said dolls which is rel to Gyokko and Hantengu.
the uppermoons are varied in strenght, far too varied in fact, and it shows, already went over the muichiro blitzing shenanniagans, read them again if you want to
Them getting stronger after getting the title hashira and surviving longer is irrelevant as it ties back into the Giyu statement, all I did was add consistency with by using retired/weaker versions of their retirement-selfs scaling to UM/far above LM tiers.
only relevant scene i remember the old retired hashiras were from 1 shinjuro after the EDA with based tanjiro, who is in no way shape or form uppermoon caliber, since he was blitzed by based non powered daki, who herself isn't uppermoon caliber, and urokodaki chasing after nezuko who was injected with the drug in the final arc as she was running in her base form, painting and sweating buckets and he still couldn't catch up, how do these implie the 2 are uppermoon caliber?
and sure, tanjiro got stronger, but you can't quanitify how much stronger that is, you can't draw any relevant conclusions besides stating the tanjiro that was dealt with is stronger than the one that got no diffed by base daki
They haven't and they don't need to. They are as strong as one through various evidence I presented.
i legit see no evidence, if i missed it, please bring it up
Daki's recovery and regeneration is stated UM lvl so the fact that Daki takes ages to recover proves it's a very powerful BDA effect in this occasion. Hantengu's emotions got fried everytime they got tagged by it. Genya was hella struggling with Urami but then Nezuko throws blood and he suddenly can rip out both arms. It also affects that Zohakuten tree massively. This Nezuko's BDA should still be weaker than the anger amped Nezuko during ETDA.
nezuko's BDA is anti demons, yes, it doesn't weaken them, it damages them, being damaged and being weakened are 2 completely different things even when they sound the same, it also negates their regen, but iirc, daki's neck wasn't damaged by the fire (at least the damage wasn't shown) and she still got blitzed
After she recovers Tengen never once calls her not worthy of UM ever again. So even steelmanning all of your points about Rengoku, Tengen's knowledge etc, this whole "Not an UM" thing would just apply to a hella weakened Daki not FP Daki thus making it not an anti-feat.
text book definition of the argument of silence you accused me of doing, in fact, him not retracting the statement after easily cutting her neck off again says a lot (she is a weakling)
Doesn't defeat anything, Muzan's still truthfully speaking to her here from the way of explaining how demons function to the point of telling her she's grown more powerful than ever, as well as being the most beautiful creature which is objectively true. No reason to suggest he trolled and lied about a single word.
as was stated, muzan is an expert manipulator and him stating she is the most beautiful already sets red flags for how many of his statements are actually true, half truths are a thing, but this is meaningless
Good thing Hairo is already dead when he made that statement. Why does he need to be stated "abnormally strong for a LM" None of them at the battlefield have knowledge about this. There ain't even need to be any such a statement. That'd just be an argument from silence.
because to come to conclusion, we need some form of information given to us in order to build a case and a sufficient backing to safely conclude something is true, something that i found wholly lacking in all your posts
Already explained that a requirement for a hashira is literally being able to keep up and damage UM's 1vs1 and scale to a doll that's UM lvl lol.
what information did you use to come up with that conclusion?
because i don't remember anything from the series that states that being on the level of an uppermoon is what you need to be a pillar
He was never shown to be smart outside of battle. IQ =/= BIQ. Explained why they are several times as well now.
IQ=/= BIQ is baseless, based in what, from
the demon slayer series did you come to that conclusion?
why is intelligence not correlated with your ability to quickly analyze and moves and come up with countermeasures, it absolutely does, if the series established it isn't then that's a failure on the on the part of the writers
Tengen's already capable of blitzing hashira tiers which are mostly relative.
the hashiras aren't relative, they never were, and never will be, your stupid senses shenannigans were already dealt with you literally cannot
consistently exchange blows against someone who is operating at speeds several dozen times faster than yours no matter how well you read into the future (something you've yet to prove sanemi can even do)
He only underestimated them because of the anger nerf.
i'm seeing this stated a lot, but where was this...well, anger nerf, established to be a thing
i don't really remember
Don't care, would appreciate if you don't butt in and start talking about stuff that's not even part of the discussion, thanks.
you keep claiming the pillars are relative and that's a vital point in your position, without it the entire thing collapses, and you know it, if you don't care stop bringing in the fact that the pillars are relative without addressing my prior assertions
. What even proves Nakime and Kaigaku ranked up through Muzan? Why couldn't they have done this by themselves.
the upper 4th, 5th and 6th postions were empty, nakime took the 4th, the upper 6th and 5th positions were empty, what do you think kaigaku taking the 6th position suggests then?
the only one that can give ranks is muzan, given the fact that you established blood battles are there to rank up and not down what do you think this suggests?
well this is it for now
