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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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CinnabarManx421 said:
G1 blog is out.
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Death Battle Predictions: Magneto VS Tetsuo

“The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.” – Leon Trotsky Credit goes to mkt_sa67 for the Tetsu...
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tl;dr tetsuo still does scale to Akira, and has much more OP hax than stated in the blog.

While I agree with most of what he
says, saying tetsuo is not universal at the end is literally just a lie. He upscales from Akira, Akira is stronger but tetsuo is at least relative to him in the end. He is stated to be able to use the same power as Akira, is stated to be capable of growing into a another Akira(which he did in the 4th phenomenon which tetsuo created, that was also completely left out of the blog). They literally takes every feat tetsuo has to scale to Akira and throw it out. as for the inf uni, Miyako literally states in the next page that it is “space without bounds” which is also completely ignored. It honestly looks like they skimmed the manga with the research here. And Akira was never stated to be above the stream, just outside it. “Consistency is also an issue. If a suppressed Tetsuo is supposed to be that strong, it does not match up with later context and feats” Miyako clearly states “TOTAL power” this was referring to his total power, not just his suppressed power. “Lastly, redirecting the Stream, at least for Tetsuo, is not universal. He suffered severe after-effects from making a hole in the Moon, and his body could not contain his increasing amount of power. At best, it’s comparable to the comparison he gives about stopping the Earth’s rotation. Only Akira is ever suggested to be capable of affecting the whole Stream, having been stated by Miyako to have transcended it.” This entire section is just a complete garbage fire. Did the guy even read the same manga? Again by Kiyoko tetsuo is stated to be able to use the same power as Akira, which we clearly see when when he does the exact same thing as Akira, even kei(while being controlled by the espers) says he’s “awakened” which further brings him closer to Akira. As for the “no creation” part, We literally see a bright flash on Akiras explosion,An entire universe, And an explosion with such force it literally breaks time. Tetsuo backs up miyakos statements of the infinite universe whole also stating himself to be able to direct an inf flow. And how he just skims over tetsuo being able to literally control nuclear fusion, it’s not theoretical, he is able to create nuclear fusion with his powers. That means his powers are also at least on an atomic level. And considering his power is using the stream, which is literally to embodiment of time, energy, entropy, life, and evolution, as well as being able to reach into every bit of matter in the entirety of the Universe that has ever existed(this all falls under the “memory of the universe part)he is well able to reach sub atomic and below. And then there’s his mutation, I guess you could make an argument for his baby form, there really is no cap on his merge with technology form and his bacteria gas form. He is still shown to be able to retain his control over a fundamental force, gravity, in which we can assume he has access to all his other “memory of the universe” powers still as well. He is still a ticking time bomb and a glass canon but he is well capable of manipulating infinite energy just like Akira.
 
Whycantinamemyself said:
tl;dr tetsuo still does scale to Akira, and has much more OP hax than stated in the blog.

While I agree with most of what he
says, saying tetsuo is not universal at the end is literally just a lie. He upscales from Akira, Akira is stronger but tetsuo is at least relative to him in the end. He is stated to be able to use the same power as Akira, is stated to be capable of growing into a another Akira(which he did in the 4th phenomenon which tetsuo created, that was also completely left out of the blog). They literally takes every feat tetsuo has to scale to Akira and throw it out. as for the inf uni, Miyako literally states in the next page that it is “space without bounds” which is also completely ignored. It honestly looks like they skimmed the manga with the research here. And Akira was never stated to be above the stream, just outside it. “Consistency is also an issue. If a suppressed Tetsuo is supposed to be that strong, it does not match up with later context and feats” Miyako clearly states “TOTAL power” this was referring to his total power, not just his suppressed power. “Lastly, redirecting the Stream, at least for Tetsuo, is not universal. He suffered severe after-effects from making a hole in the Moon, and his body could not contain his increasing amount of power. At best, it’s comparable to the comparison he gives about stopping the Earth’s rotation. Only Akira is ever suggested to be capable of affecting the whole Stream, having been stated by Miyako to have transcended it.” This entire section is just a complete garbage fire. Did the guy even read the same manga? Again by Kiyoko tetsuo is stated to be able to use the same power as Akira, which we clearly see when when he does the exact same thing as Akira, even kei(while being controlled by the espers) says he’s “awakened” which further brings him closer to Akira. As for the “no creation” part, We literally see a bright flash on Akiras explosion,An entire universe, And an explosion with such force it literally breaks time. Tetsuo backs up miyakos statements of the infinite universe whole also stating himself to be able to direct an inf flow. And how he just skims over tetsuo being able to literally control nuclear fusion, it’s not theoretical, he is able to create nuclear fusion with his powers. That means his powers are also at least on an atomic level. And considering his power is using the stream, which is literally to embodiment of time, energy, entropy, life, and evolution, as well as being able to reach into every bit of matter in the entirety of the Universe that has ever existed(this all falls under the “memory of the universe part)he is well able to reach sub atomic and below. And then there’s his mutation, I guess you could make an argument for his baby form, there really is no cap on his merge with technology form and his bacteria gas form. He is still shown to be able to retain his control over a fundamental force, gravity, in which we can assume he has access to all his other “memory of the universe” powers still as well. He is still a ticking time bomb and a glass canon but he is well capable of manipulating infinite energy just like Akira.
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Forgot to provide scans for some statements, I’ll do it in another post if people want
 
technically it can be.
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Im not sure how.

We literally see a bright flash on Akiras explosion,An entire universe, And an explosion with such force it literally breaks time.
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no we the see the literal memory of the universe, what miyako explains. There is no time breaking, temporal displacement is a regular occurrence for Akira Events (See Tetsuo entering his own made singularity in volume 4)

Either way Akira and Tetsuo are high uni, do you agree with that?
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Possibly at best. I know Tetsuo has like 6+ statements that he will reach Akira's level and he also had an awakening. The issue is the sequence right after. His singularity is decimated by Akira's and Tetsuo ends up being torn apart and absorbed by Akira, with the implication his body died and he passed on to the "higher plane"
 
Cyberblader90 said:
Im not sure how.
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Their explosion certainly create something, definitely some type of pocket dimension as they are kept “beyond this world”. The problem is whether or not these pocket dimensions carry a new time space is the problem, hence his “unknown” rating.
Cyberblader90 said:
no we the see the literal memory of the universe, what miyako explains. There is no time breaking, temporal displacement is a regular occurrence for Akira Events (See Tetsuo entering his own made singularity in volume 4)
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Ok, but unlike tetsuos singularity, their physical bodies were literally transported through time. And also wouldn’t any creation of a singularity warrant a universal rating? Despite tetsuos being a smaller one than Akira(as described by The scientists)it is still an link to the cosmic stream and still is compared to the creation of a new universe, even if a mini one. Why would otomo even mention anything about creation of a universe if it weren’t that? He isn’t a power scaler or a debater like on the wiki, he puts things in there so they are there.
Cyberblader90 said:
Possibly at best. I know Tetsuo has like 6+ statements that he will reach Akira's level and he also had an awakening. The issue is the sequence right after. His singularity is decimated by Akira's and Tetsuo ends up being torn apart and absorbed by Akira, with the implication his body died and he passed on to the "higher plane"
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That isn’t an issue. The creation of an Akira singularity itself that is comparable to akiras awakening would warrant high 3-A, and tetsuo could manipulate this stream before. Everyone forgets that he was this powerful in volume 5, his body just couldn’t handle the constant usage of it. He could have probably created a singularity like Akiras, but that would have screwed everything up. Tetsuo wants to be top dog, but he wants to be recognized as top dog as well, especially by kaneda. Murdering everybody would leave no one to recognize him, even kaneda.
 
Their explosion certainly create something, definitely some type of pocket dimension as they are kept “beyond this world”. The problem is whether or not these pocket dimensions carry a new time space is the problem, hence his “unknown” rating.
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Simple counter: kaneda is absorbed by akira's second made singularity and shot out by tetsuo's, meaning it was the same space and not a dimension that made.

Why would otomo even mention anything about creation of a universe if it weren’t that?
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This is stated by scientists yes. But they dont understand the stream. The literally say this even after tetsuo explains to them. Singularities act more like bfr not 3-a events. Buildings, Kaneda, Corpses, etc are all shown intact from being exposed to and sent inside these events, and Akira's second event was stronger than tetsuo's that released kaneda.

it is still an link to the cosmic stream and still is compared to the creation of a new universe, even if a mini one.
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If it did make a "mini" universe, we have no idea the size. Pocket universes in fiction can be really small.

The creation of an Akira singularity itself that is comparable to akiras awakening would warrant high 3-A
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Why?

and again Akira's consumes Tetsuo's in like a second. they werent comparable
 
Ok, but unlike tetsuos singularity, their physical bodies were literally transported through time
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ehhhhh
kaneda and kei appears as like ghost like entities. kaneda also enters tetsuo's memories and miyako says they are in the spirit world.

the color version has kei call the time experiences "Illusions"
 
Cyberblader90 said:
Simple counter: kaneda is absorbed by akira's second made singularity and shot out by tetsuo's, meaning it was the same space and not a dimension that made.
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yeah that’s what I was saying ? akira originally created the pocket dimension and added to it in volume 3(or just made another one, this is most likely the case because kaneda and a few dozen buildings rained down, not an entire city)tetsuo brought these things back in volume 4 with his singularity. It is possible tetsuo created his own pocket dimension because it is compared to akiras awakening which is what started this pocket dimension in the first place.

Cyberblader90 said:
This is stated by scientists yes. But they dont understand the stream. The literally say this even after tetsuo explains to them. Singularities act more like bfr not 3-a events. Buildings, Kaneda, Corpses, etc are all shown intact from being exposed to and sent inside these events, and Akira's second event was stronger than tetsuo's that released kaneda.
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they are BFR d sure, but to where? Exactly. Either singularities are access to a pocket dimension a new universe or even a higher dimension who knows, but they do create something.
Cyberblader90 said:
If it did make a "mini" universe, we have no idea the size. Pocket universes in fiction can be really small.
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Fair
Cyberblader90 said:
Why?

and again Akira's consumes Tetsuo's in like a second. they werent comparable
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That doesn’t matter. He is compared to Akiras awakening and it is the same type of explosion as Akira, dome shape big explosion it checks out. As long as it’s the same type it’s magnitude compared to akiras isn’t really necessary since we know he’s stronger anyways.
 
Cyberblader90 said:
ehhhhh
kaneda and kei appears as like ghost like entities. kaneda also enters tetsuo's memories and miyako says they are in the spirit world.

the color version has kei call the time experiences "Illusions"
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they weren’t illusions because
1. These ghosts were able to interact and speak and people in that time were also able to see and hear them
2.kaneda was going to die. Whatever the spirit plane is(most likely some sort of higher dimension)it obviously cannot have living or maybe 3D entities inside is. Illusions don’t affect your physical body.
 
Whycantinamemyself said:
they weren’t illusions because
1. These ghosts were able to interact and speak and people in that time were also able to see and hear them
2.kaneda was going to die. Whatever the spirit plane is(most likely some sort of higher dimension)it obviously cannot have living or maybe 3D entities inside is. Illusions don’t affect your physical body.
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he was going to die because akira was also absorbing him, as kei says
 
yeah that’s what I was saying ? akira originally created the pocket dimension and added to it in volume 3(or just made another one, this is most likely the case because kaneda and a few dozen buildings rained down, not an entire city)tetsuo brought these things back in volume 4 with his singularity. It is possible tetsuo created his own pocket dimension because it is compared to akiras awakening which is what started this pocket dimension in the first place.
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This assumes akira made the dimension in the first place. All we know is that singularities lead to this place, which seems to be the world of the spirt as called by miyako
 
That doesn’t matter. He is compared to Akiras awakening and it is the same type of explosion as Akira, dome shape big explosion it checks out. As long as it’s the same type it’s magnitude compared to akiras isn’t really necessary since we know he’s stronger anyways.
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He is compared sure

to quote myself from another server:

miyako's plan as she says was to bury akira with tetsuo. she saw vague visions with her clairvoyance that she had to use him, therefore manipulates him to stop using drugs so gets stronger. in fact the plane was to kei "prep" him so he could bury akira, but the thing is the point is no one had a true grasp on powerful akira was.
tetsuo saw a glimpse of it and it nearly broke him and we have visual proof akira is above tetsuo given he killed him

your post also assumes an awakened singularity will always be high 3-a/3-a. Why is that
 
Cyberblader90 said:
He is compared sure

to quote myself from another server:

miyako's plan as she says was to bury akira with tetsuo. she saw vague visions with her clairvoyance that she had to use him, therefore manipulates him to stop using drugs so gets stronger. in fact the plane was to kei "prep" him so he could bury akira, but the thing is the point is no one had a true grasp on powerful akira was.
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Ok?
Cyberblader90 said:
tetsuo saw a glimpse of it and it nearly broke him and we have visual proof akira is above tetsuo given he killed him
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I continually say, Akira is above tetsuo, tetsuo simply upscales from the 4 times he’s been quoted by knowledgeable characters to be capable of turning into an akira. He isn’t broken by akira, not at all, he is broken by the pure amount of information running through his head, the stream. He is scared by images of the stream when he visits miyako. When he understands the stream and Akira, he is no longer afraid. He has simply accepted what his powers are, and that he will always be below Akira.
Cyberblader90 said:
your post also assumes an awakened singularity will always be high 3-a/3-a. Why is that
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because it’s what allowed Akira to be Akira, it was his awakening, that allows him to be as strong as he is. Tetsuo saw the stream, he ventured through it, and what did he arrive at? Akira. Akira is stated to be the power incarnate, a physical representation of the power of the stream. Hence why tetsuo is spooked by his mind, he is the stream. Tetsuo also awakens, hence why I say he’s relative to Akira. He was also stated to be on the same psychic wavelength as Akira, further proven if left for his power to rise, if he gave his personality in to power, he would undoubtedly become the exact same as Akira.
 
Whycantinamemyself said:
Ok?

I continually say, Akira is above tetsuo, tetsuo simply upscales from the 4 times he’s been quoted by knowledgeable characters to be capable of turning into an akira. He isn’t broken by akira, not at all, he is broken by the pure amount of information running through his head, the stream. He is scared by images of the stream when he visits miyako. When he understands the stream and Akira, he is no longer afraid. He has simply accepted what his powers are, and that he will always be below Akira.

because it’s what allowed Akira to be Akira, it was his awakening, that allows him to be as strong as he is. Tetsuo saw the stream, he ventured through it, and what did he arrive at? Akira. Akira is stated to be the power incarnate, a physical representation of the power of the stream. Hence why tetsuo is spooked by his mind, he is the stream. Tetsuo also awakens, hence why I say he’s relative to Akira. He was also stated to be on the same psychic wavelength as Akira, further proven if left for his power to rise, if he gave his personality in to power, he would undoubtedly become the exact same as Akira.
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k so instead of continuing this i prob agree that awakened tetsuo is uni, but only that version and only because of the colored version of the manga says he was distracted when akira consumes him plus this:

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Akira should be blatantly uni with the above statement and as the Power Incarnate
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
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It’s stated that if a character wasn’t able to control their power and lost control they would’ve blown up the universe and burnt through the fabric of reality
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Well, do any of the characters destroy something similar to something the actual size and energy of a universe...

Even Star vs the Forces of Evil have better arguments in claiming universe level Butterfly family able to master a Royal Magic Wand.

And after some arguments we have settled on some one to two universe busting Star Butterfly and co.

Monkey Prince (DC) vs Monkie Kid (Legoverse) when
 
Jasonsith said:
Well, do any of the characters destroy something similar to something the actual size and energy of a universe...

Even Star vs the Forces of Evil have better arguments in claiming universe level Butterfly family able to master a Royal Magic Wand.

And after some arguments we have settled on some one to two universe busting Star Butterfly and co.

Monkey Prince (DC) vs Monkie Kid (Legoverse) when
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Afaik no but that doesn’t matter, the statement is pretty clear cut.
 
Cyberblader90 said:
k so instead of continuing this i prob agree that awakened tetsuo is uni, but only that version and only because of the colored version of the manga says he was distracted when akira consumes him plus this:

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Akira should be blatantly uni with the above statement and as the Power Incarnate
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Yeah I think in the end if tetsuo wasn’t interrupted he probably would have become just like Akira. I personally think earlier in the story(volume 5 in specific)he has the potential to be high 3-A due to his seemingly one-time-only usage “direct it’s infinite flow!”(which tetsuo says he can do). Though him being able to do so is iffy, so idk. But i think we should keep his potentially high 3-A, and make his last key just flat out high 3-A.
 
Hey, guys, remember how i said that i'll probably do my own VS show in summer?
Well, the summer is now and it's time to reveal the season premiere...
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Alright, i'm kidding, it's not the real season premiere but i do have a problem with picking one
I have a plan: Basically you can suggest a MU you think is good for the season premiere, after that i'll gather every MU you suggested and make a voting, the MU that gets voted on is picked as the premiere
Tho idk if i actually want doing that cuz i easily can get a MU featuring a franchise that i'm unfamiliar with but i guess i can do something with that
 
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