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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Sonic was doomed to have a bad winrate because of how they statted that series for years lol. Just got really poorly treated on the show imo lol
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At start they had decent enough win rates, but then that loss streak happened which hurt a lot.

Worst is, at the time of latest DB now, all Sonic fights but vs Flash & Vegeta should be Wins due to Emerald Feat > Mega Man & Mario feats.

Sonic could have rivaled DC's win rate.
 
TMaakkonen said:
At start they had decent enough win rates, but then that loss streak happened which hurt a lot.

Worst is, at the time of latest DB now, all Sonic fights but vs Flash & Vegeta should be Wins due to Emerald Feat > Mega Man & Mario feats.

Sonic could have rivaled DC's win rate.
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They could throw Vector the Crocodile out.
They could slaughter Sly Cooper with Rouge the Bat.
They could slaughter Q-Bee with Charmy the MF Bee.
They could throw Sally Acorn out and murder Leia or even Daisy with her.
They have a lot of options to make Ben Singer satisfied.

That is on top of the facts that Archie Knuckles can beat Juggernaut, Mogol can beat some elephant mage, Paramount Sonic can zap Detective Pikachu so funny and Tails can beat anyone who is not Luigi. And make sure Fleetway Sonic fights anyone but Kasen.

Theburgerking11 said:
next cast is on march 8th, international women's day. announcing the first female fight opener on that day would make sense.
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There are several times they do not capitalize on that. They could throw a Pokemon MU since PLA is out a while. They could have made Shulk vs Lightning by the time Xenoblade for Switch was out. The mindset of Rooster Teeth can be so unpredictable the audience, the sponsors and the shareholders cannot understand.

TMaakkonen said:
Oh it was Strunton? Well that was wrong guy.

He was kicked out of DB last year due to drama too.
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USA entertainment industry is not the best place of work in terms of office politics, and Rooster Teeth is not among the better ones in this circle. As a person who received a Tier 1 ban for a Tier 3 warning, I have pity over that.
 
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Tipper17 said:
You could argue that for several series
Look at Naruto and Street fighter
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Hmmm with DBs current logic...

Gaara would stomp, Sasuke would win too. Kakashi & Lee would prolly still lose. They would lose one 2 loss streak & get two 2 win streaks, and have record of 5 wins & 3 losses, a +2 win rate.

Bison would still lose, Ryu wins both, Dan loses, Cammy wins, Ken I actually forgot but uhh I think still loses?, Balrog wins? Chun wins, Akuma and Zangief remain same & Blanka loses. Thats about 7 wins, 5 losses, +2 win rate? Infamous 6 loss streak is gone, theyd have 3 win streak from start and 2 win streak at middle. Another big improvement lol

But again, Sonic would have had +7 or with Uni Shadow a +9.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Sasuke vs Hiei, isnt that one of the true cases of bias?

Researcher for Hiei (AkumaTh was it?) lowballed Sause Guy for years and had Hiei win. In the ep Sausy Guy wasnt that lowballed, but Hiei got the inflated anime feat + statement.

Pretty sure he said later that the calc was wrong and Sasuke wins now, but I cant exactly put that in records lol
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This is all true. One of our members made a debunk on Devintart and one of the researchers responded to it.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Bison would still lose, Ryu wins both, Dan loses, Cammy wins, Ken I actually forgot but uhh I think still loses?, Balrog wins? Chun wins, Akuma and Zangief remain same & Blanka loses. Thats about 7 wins, 5 losses, +2 win rate? Infamous 6 loss streak is gone, theyd have 3 win streak from start and 2 win streak at middle. Another big improvement lol
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In what reality? Compositing isnt an argument, also given where Kahn was at it means he aint winning the other either
 
The_Smashor said:
Hell, Vegeta at the time would have lost to Shadow since he just had GT while Sonic got the Archie Comics at the time.
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Death Battle Mentioning Uni Game Super Forms Without Blackboxes - Challenge has not been finished yet. I honestly feel like using Archie Sonic feats in early fights is half a cop out because they BARELY mentioned true feats that matter. Rereading scripts, they do mention Chaos Force, so that prolly is enough.
 
Characters are kinda niche but this MU’s kinda neat
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Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
By the way, what's the general consensus on Remilia Scarlet vs Rachel Alucard as a versus matchup around here? Like how do you guys feel about the matchup for both opponents, do you like it? Do you think each respective character has better ones? I'm trying to find an MU for Remi and this SEEMS to be her most popular, but so far I'm not sure if I'm fond of the battle dynamic.

What's also the consensus on who wins?

From my research it looks like Remilia holds a massive power, range, and durability advantage, but Rachel has a ridiculous haxx wall, several layers of immortality, the ability to negate regen up to high-godly (higher than Remilia's regen would be even after profile revisions), immeasurable speed (though I hear Blazblue might lose immeasurable?), time travel, and a piece of equipment called Tsukuyomi that makes her durability literally L1C which surpasses Remilia's current output. Is there something I'm missing here or does Rachel just completely blow Remi out of the water here...

Unless Tsukuyomi is restricted, I don't think there's much argument for Rachel losing here (and even with Tsukuyomi restricted, immeasurable speed and her insane degree of haxx would even the playing field, though make it more fair through proxy of her dying in one hit, but I'm not sure if Remi could even bypass her immortality & regen to kill her permanently), and even if BB loses immeasurable and Rachel becomes Infinite, there's still her immortality & regen. Is there something I'm missing here or is this a complete blowout stomp lol.

Maybe I'd like this MU better if I knew more about Rachel as a character, and if the fight dynamic wasn't made super uninteresting via Tsukuyomi ): Can they at least have interesting & fun tradeoffs BEFORE Tsukuyomi gets pulled?
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General consensus is Rachel stomp even without Tsukuyomi because she already resist almost everything Remila has on low 1c level, making Remila has almost nothing that can harm her.

Rachel like most of higher tier BB characters doesn't care about AP and Durability gap because the sheer pontency of her hax, passive and resistance render the stats gap moot.

BB characters has even stomp several characters who's eclipse them in AP and Dura (like a full 2A character) several time before aka they are a big smurf
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Characters are kinda niche but this MU’s kinda neat
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Not very niche like the above say.
... How good is it as live action Death Battle episode tbh
(Or just some Jack vs Afro style hand drawn animation or just 2D sprite be fine)

Nobody234 said:
General consensus is Rachel stomp even without Tsukuyomi because she already resist almost everything Remila has on low 1c level, making Remila has almost nothing that can harm her.

Rachel like most of higher tier BB characters doesn't care about AP and Durability gap because the sheer pontency of her hax, passive and resistance render the stats gap moot.

BB characters has even stomp several characters who's eclipse them in AP and Dura (like a full 2A character) several time before aka they are a big smurf
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Loves how these crazily haxxed characters are still somehow not the strongest characters in fiction.

Can Death Battle actually handle the concepts of different walls of hax and the concepts of higher dimensions though? (So far only the Flash characters and Darkseid have been mentioned with similar concepts)

(follow up questions - agree or not)
Taokaka legit beats Felicia
Ragna legit loses to Sol
Hakumen legit wins over Vergil
Noel Vermilion still beats Aigis (which can be useful when people complain that SMT/Persona are too OP)
Terumi Yuuki defeats Thaal Sinestro (which helps contributing to more non-Marvel wins against DC)
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I thought Genocide Route Frisk was the one that actually beat Batter?
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it doesn't, even if you occupy his lower levels the batter wins (building level vs wall level) and outside of vsbattle wiki the batter is solar system and ftl+ which means he just hits frisk and it ends up as a crushed amount of meat, and if it's not a defeat it's because you can argue that frisk will always come back unless you argue that you occupy purification.

and frisk only wins if you argue that he can do the same as chara (multiversal-universal level).
 
TMaakkonen said:
Using DBs logic and well, did you see Akumas stats in his latest ep with the Honda meteor calc :V
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Its an outlier and not even as high as they claimed either
TMaakkonen said:
Scorpion doesnt scale to Elder God shenanigans, tho who knows what future eps decide to do. Or... does he?
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Scorpion fough the likes of Raiden several times and pulled a good fight as well, even if not to the same degree he would still be around there
 
Raiden(Geshin) vs Raiden(MGS) vs Raiden(MK)
TUHTPeaSkull12 said:
it doesn't, even if you occupy his lower levels the batter wins (building level vs wall level) and outside of vsbattle wiki the batter is solar system and ftl+ which means he just hits frisk and it ends up as a crushed amount of meat, and if it's not a defeat it's because you can argue that frisk will always come back unless you argue that you occupy purification.

and frisk only wins if you argue that he can do the same as chara (multiversal-universal level).
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I feel like DB would believe uni
 
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