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I feel like Giorno vs Joker is going to be the Ben vs Hal of this website (matchup where one side thinks it's going to easily stomp the other only for the opposite to happen)
 
Giorno will be Universal level in the DB Multiversal Joker is like only a thing on this site
Unfortunately, which sucks because frankly since SMT and Persona share the same multiverse you can simply scale Joker to the likes of Kagutsuchi who is, IIRC from Nocturne scans, the embodiment of the Amala Universe which is the multiverse in MT and there ya go you can say then Joker is Multiversal.
Now causality is going to be tricky for Joker but as I said awhile ago, there's probably stuff in the Persona and main Shin Megami Tensei series which could yield causality resistance
 
Unfortunately, which sucks because frankly since SMT and Persona share the same multiverse you can simply scale Joker to the likes of Kagutsuchi who is, IIRC from Nocturne scans, the embodiment of the Amala Universe which is the multiverse in MT and there ya go you can say then Joker is Multiversal.
Now causality is going to be tricky for Joker but as I said awhile ago, there's probably stuff in the Persona and main Shin Megami Tensei series which could yield causality resistance
I think acausality comes from Igor saying personas exist Beyond time or something iirc
It’s been awhile and my memory sucks, so apologies if I don’t remember
 
I personally like the MU, but Madoka is gonna fight Moon first
But Usagi is fighting against Pegasus Seiya.

You know... the matchup where Jupiter vs Shiryu comes second to Jupiter vs Skull despite the latter being an ugly stomp just because Jupiter vs Shiryu is a discount Moon vs discount Seiya?


Okay Hit vs Cygnus Hyoga is a superior alternative to Hit vs Sakuya Izayoi. DB crew needs to hear about this.
 
Unfortunately, which sucks because frankly since SMT and Persona share the same multiverse you can simply scale Joker to the likes of Kagutsuchi who is, IIRC from Nocturne scans, the embodiment of the Amala Universe which is the multiverse in MT and there ya go you can say then Joker is Multiversal.
Now causality is going to be tricky for Joker but as I said awhile ago, there's probably stuff in the Persona and main Shin Megami Tensei series which could yield causalit resistance
idk how reliable that is scaling Joker to Kags given this site but meh
 
Okay Hit vs Cygnus Hyoga is a superior alternative to Hit vs Sakuya Izayoi. DB crew needs to hear about this.
no it isn't its more boring if anything
if the DB crew didn't even knew who Hades was and the latter was requested to fight Beerus by alot of folks Hyoga chances are pretty damn slime
 
Honeslty Batman vs IronMan wasn't even much of Debate considering Tony at his peak with his armors is SkyFather Level while Bats only tops out at Herald with his best
not to mention Tony Hax just craps on Bruce
 
idk how reliable that is scaling Joker to Kags given this site but meh
Maybe though tbf I don't think you need to scale Joker directly to Kags to get the same results, really if they put Joker as being comparable to or above beings who are around Kags Level then it shouldn't be that much of an issue.
Though the big issue is convincing anyone that isn't VBW that SMT and Persona share the same multiverse
 
Maybe though tbf I don't think you need to scale Joker directly to Kags to get the same results, really if they put Joker as being comparable to or above beings who are around Kags Level then it shouldn't be that much of an issue.
Though the big issue is convincing anyone that isn't VBW that SMT and Persona share the same multiverse
No, it’s common knowledge to most MT fans that Persona and SMT share universes, along with acouple other games,but I don’t think thats the problem.
 
Really? Then unless I was lied to, I thought there were some parts of the fandoms who think they're seperated.
though admittedly I've only seen that from this place
I guess some might not think so or don’t know, maybe some of the Persona fanbase, because some persona fans haven’t played the rest of the megaten games
It’s kinda a meme at this point
 
no it isn't its more boring if anything
if the DB crew didn't even knew who Hades was and the latter was requested to fight Beerus by alot of folks Hyoga chances are pretty damn slime
This does not mean Hit vs Hyoga is bad.
This means Death Battle crew knew jack about Saint Seiya until Hades is pit against Beerus in a Community Death Battle they hosted.
 
This does not mean Hit vs Hyoga is bad.
This means Death Battle crew knew jack about Saint Seiya until Hades is pit against Beerus in a Community Death Battle they hosted.
and nothing hints at them having any interest in em since
the best we're getting is Seiya vs Moon and Hades vs Nekron or Zamasu
 
You know, I don't think the Hellsing/JoJo universe is as ****** as people say it is after DIO vs Alucard.

For one thing, the Speedwagon Foundation and Hellsing Organization absolutely know about each other, since there's no way Alucard and Walter weren't involved with the events of Part 2 in this theoretical combined universe. Hell, the two being involved with each other is probably the reason Alucard attacked DIO to begin with. Not to mention, there's no way DIO and Millennium would team up.

With Walter there and Seras sniping from afar, DIO probably would lose with the rest of the Crusaders fighting him (Espesially since, if it happened at all in this universe, Jotaro vs Kenshiro probably only happened after the events of Part 3). As for Millennium, Joseph's Hamon as well as the Crusader's stands kinda **** them up. And I don't think that it would take much convincing to have the Crusaders fight the actual Nazis.
 
You know, I don't think the Hellsing/JoJo universe is as ****** as people say it is after DIO vs Alucard.

For one thing, the Speedwagon Foundation and Hellsing Organization absolutely know about each other, since there's no way Alucard and Walter weren't involved with the events of Part 2 in this theoretical combined universe. Hell, the two being involved with each other is probably the reason Alucard attacked DIO to begin with. Not to mention, there's no way DIO and Millennium would team up.

With Walter there and Seras sniping from afar, DIO probably would lose with the rest of the Crusaders fighting him (Espesially since, if it happened at all in this universe, Jotaro vs Kenshiro probably only happened after the events of Part 3). As for Millennium, Joseph's Hamon as well as the Crusader's stands kinda **** them up. And I don't think that it would take much convincing to have the Crusaders fight the actual Nazis.
I'm pretty sure Dio would cook the Crusaders there, he has the full 11 second rapidly increasing time stop WITH full vampire abilities. Jotaro also seems to have died in the middle of his quest to find Dio also considering its Part 3 Jotaro in the middle of a desert with an old Joseph.
 
I'm pretty sure Dio would cook the Crusaders there, he has the full 11 second rapidly increasing time stop WITH full vampire abilities. Jotaro also seems to have died in the middle of his quest to find Dio also considering its Part 3 Jotaro in the middle of a desert with an old Joseph.
I literally said that Jotaro vs Kenshiro, if it even takes place in the same continuity as Alucard vs DIO, would only happen AFTER Dio's World since Jotaro has his time stop.
 
I literally said that Jotaro vs Kenshiro, if it even takes place in the same continuity as Alucard vs DIO, would only happen AFTER Dio's World since Jotaro has his time stop.
But if Dio has his full vampire abilities and 11 second time stop, that'd mean it takes place after DIO's World as well
 
I'm pretty sure they made him start with it considering the pre analysis, he also didn't suffer any brain damage from being shot in the head while Pre Joseph Blood could suffer brain damage symptoms
 
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