Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Didn't one of the pop ups say that Stands like Silver Chariot can harm Stands like Alessi's Sethan? Which is an intangible shadow? It would be plausible to say Dio can harm Alucard in his shadowy state

 

[Soulgizmo]

The nonexistent physiology isn’t a thing for Nobodies in KH. That ability got retconned to hell and back thanks to Dream drop distance.

maybe should make a ctr on it

Guessing you still haven’t watched the video or read the QnA?

But stands can only interact with other stands like that???

 

[Soulgizmo]

Didn't one of the pop ups say that Stands like Silver Chariot can harm Stands like Alessi's Sethan? Which is an intangible shadow? It would be plausible to say Dio can harm Alucard in his shadowy state

Giorno couldnt interact with black sabboth while it was in shadow form?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Q: How could DIO hurt Alucard when he can turn intangible?

A: Alucard’s intangibility isn’t passive, he has to activate it. He’s routinely hit by physical objects like bullets, so him phasing through a wall involves him in some way choosing to do that. Dio is so much faster that he’d never be able to activate it before being hit.

But that’s only initially. Sure, after enough of them he’ll be able to turn intangible and stay that way for the rest of the fight, unable to be harmed ever again. This should be an instant win condition, right?

Well, no. Alucard has never fought anything in his intangible state. Logically, his punches would just phase through his opponent the same way theirs would phase through him. And second, Stands are intangible too, and can affect intangible things.

Vol. 28 (pg. 38) - Jotaro uses Star Platinum’s intangibility to reach into his own chest and force his heart to stop beating.

Vol. 28 (pg. 86) - Star Platinum using that same intangibility to reach into Joseph’s chest.

Vol. 22 (pg. 48-49) - Silver Chariot can block an attack from Sethan, which is manifested from Alessi’s shadow.

Vol. 35 (pg. 95) - Heaven’s Door was able to affect the ghost Reimi Sugimoto, despite the fact that she is a ghost and intangible: Vol. 36 (pg. 20), Vol. 46 (pg. 94), and (pg. 97). In fact, Rohan himself was even able to interact with her body, implying that Heaven’s Door interaction with her is what made her tangible.

Vol. 69 (pg. 52) - Stone Free’s strings were able to wrap around Whitesnake’s ankle while Whitesnake turned intangible to pass through steel bars.

So even if Alucard went intangible, it wouldn’t do him any good; the World would still be able to attack him. And even if we forget all the examples provided above, Alucard would still need to turn tangible again in order to hit Dio, at which point, Dio would just hit him faster than he could turn intangible again. In essence, there’s a reason why Alucard has never actually used this technique in combat: it’s ineffective offensively and redundant defensively when he can just absorb damage with his regeneration.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Maybe this is a dumb question but isn't The World's ability to clash with Stands like Star Platinum prove that it can interact with or harm intangible beings? Probably the best example from recent memory is Star Platinum causing skin crators and damage on Killer Queen.
Of course that's not the only example, as shown in the QNA, but it's something I thought of post QNA.

 

[StekFence]

Well, I would assume so. Although hitting a ghost like intangible, might be different from a shadow

 

[CBslayeR]

Honestly Diocard was great all around, only thing that was really bad was the calcs on Dio's side


Solid 9/10, still think Mickey vs Yoda beats it out

 

[Theglassman12]

@Soulgizmo dude both Saix’s page and the nobody page doesn’t have nonexistent physiology, it’s been gone for a while.

 

[Soulgizmo]

I-i concede forgive me

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I-i concede forgive me

There will be NO FORGIVENESS FOR YOU!!!!!

(Sorry, I just wanted to make that joke).

 

[Soulgizmo]

@Soulgizmo dude both Saix’s page and the nobody page doesn’t have nonexistent physiology, it’s been gone for a while.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kenpachi-vs-saix-berserkers.119665/ idk that was peoples argument for being a stomp.

 

[Jasonsith]

Breaking old news:
Community Death Battle - Buffy Summers vs Blade (Marvel Comics)

Spoiler

Currently both are in Tier 8 so there is actually a fight.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Who the hell is Blad?

 

[Soulgizmo]

Blad is Blades older brother who hasn't been introduced yet

 

[Theglassman12]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kenpachi-vs-saix-berserkers.119665/ idk that was peoples argument for being a stomp.

That was several months ago, a lot has changed since.

 

[Soulgizmo]

That was several months ago, a lot has changed since.

Hmm I see. Id just like people to vote on the thread already. I've not gotten a matchup I've made yet thats gotten added as a fight.

 

[CardboardSlime]

Who the hell is Blad?

Vlad's black vampire brother.
Unfun answer: It's Blade but they forgot to add the "e".

 

[Tipper17]

GG Akuma

 

[Soulgizmo]

DIO vs Alucard Q&A (Feat Liam Swan/Lousy/DJTiki)

"The following is the opinion of only those involved in its writing. It is not officially endorsed by Rooster Teeth Productions or necessa...

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[Baken384]

Welp alucard is becoming 8-B so... RIP dio by the standards of the wiki

Dio's The World still heavily heavily heavily outspeeds the shit out of Alucard, to Dio, Alucard is still a statue in comparison + maybe a potential AP upgrade for The World to the higher ends of High 8-C, even higher especially if its High The World + spammable time stop that increases each use

 

[CBslayeR]

Dio's The World still heavily heavily heavily outspeeds the shit out of Alucard, to Dio, Alucard is still a statue in comparison + maybe a potential AP upgrade for The World to the higher ends of High 8-C, even higher especially if its High The World + spammable time stop that increases each use

I am going to shamelessly make Dio vs Alucard when the upgrades go through

With speed equal ofc, and probably make it take place right when night starts

 

[Soulgizmo]

Hmm hmm alucard is just so much more likeable than dio.
I had a lot of problems with shadow vs ryuko for the same reason like. Ryuko is such cool character and i feel like hellsing, klk will never get a win in these episodes.

 

[Baken384]

With speed equal ofc,

 

[Malomtek]

I mean, iirc we technically do not measure soul hax by how many souls are absorbed anymore. As well as we don't measure mind hax by actual count of people who was mind haxed.

But






why?

Doesn't both the quantity and "quality" of souls/minds/nonphysical consciousnesses being "hacked" matter when you're measuring the "potency" of the hax in question?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

If Garou ever enters Death Battle, who would be a suitable match up for him?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Dio's The World still heavily heavily heavily outspeeds the shit out of Alucard, to Dio, Alucard is still a statue in comparison + maybe a potential AP upgrade for The World to the higher ends of High 8-C, even higher especially if its High The World + spammable time stop that increases each use

It also helps that VBW's stats are stats not everyone so Alucard getting upgraded doesn't really change peoples' opinions on the fight. I mean it's nice that Alucard's getting some buffs but still

 

[Jasonsith]

If Garou ever enters Death Battle, who would be a suitable match up for him?

Yujiro Hanma perhaps?
Akuma, Raoh, Hideyoshi Toyotomi etc are overkill

 

[Theglassman12]

Stats are overrated these days, abilities are arguably as important, if not more most of the time since they can screw over the stat advantage.

 

[Tipper17]

Hmm hmm alucard is just so much more likeable than dio.
I had a lot of problems with shadow vs ryuko for the same reason like. Ryuko is such cool character and i feel like hellsing, klk will never get a win in these episodes.

I understand Ryuko case Given current Shadow a mess due to Sega modern writing and Ryuko never suffered much writing issues

Alucard is a fun guy and less of an asshole compared to Dio

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Alucard is a fun guy and less of an asshole compared to Dio

I mean tbh if you go by the real life actions of the real life Vlad The Impaler and Bram Stoker's Dracula, which is canon to Hellsing, Alucard's probably as much of a dick as Dio is factoring in past actions. But unlike Dio, Alucard does feel some regret so he's definitely more sympathetic then Dio at least

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Stats are overrated these days, abilities are arguably as important, if not more most of the time since they can screw over the stat advantage.

Unless your part of the Flash Family lop

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'd say speed is a very important factor as well, as not all abilities are passive and do required to be activated manually.

 

[Tipper17]

I mean tbh if you go by the real life actions of the real life Vlad The Impaler and Bram Stoker's Dracula, which is canon to Hellsing, Alucard's probably as much of a dick as Dio is factoring in past actions. But unlike Dio, Alucard does feel some regret so he's definitely more sympathetic then Dio at least

Oh I know but overall Alucard just comes across as a chill you wouldn't mind hanging out with

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Who the hell is Blad?

Your mum

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

you wouldn't mind hanging out with

Eh I dunno about that. I feel like Alucard would devour half of a person just for looking at him wrong.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Oh I know but overall Alucard just comes across as a chill you wouldn't mind hanging out with

how does one hang out with THE king of vampires anyhow? Be one hell of a friend to have

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Eh I dunno about that. I feel like Alucard would devour half of a person just for looking at him wrong.

You think Alucard would mistake a goth or emo for a vampire? Not to stereotype either group, but I'd imagine any excessive edge or makeup would cause any average joe to think of vampires

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

You think Alucard would mistake a goth or emo for a vampire? Not to stereotype either group, but I'd imagine any excessive edge or makeup would cause any average joe to think of vampires

Probably not tbh. He'd probably just see a human with makeup

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Probably not tbh. He'd probably just see a human with makeup

Yeah that was a weird question in hindsight, I mainly asked that out of boredom.
Which actually leads to another question, do any of you guys remember back when Twilight was a trend and people made art or fanfics of Alucard violently killing Twilight characters? Interesting times.

 

[Livinmeme]

That reminds me of furry killing MLP characters.... or any verse in fiction killing MLP times good times