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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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In all honesty regarding Dio vs Alucard, I do think that realistically it's a battle with no end. It's true that Schroedinger is open to interpretation though. Still, I think attaching omnipotence to an ability that only applies to his own state (no-one else's) in two ways, one being his health and the other being his location, is silly. Basically Alucard is projecting himself. And when that projection smashes into a million pieces after The World hits it, Alucard's disembodied consciousness will simply project a new projection. However, when Alucard attacks Dio he'll never get past The World and even if he did the damage he inflicts with his gun will heal easily. I guess he could target Dio's head, and I guess there is a chance Dio will make a mistake and get hit, but even then Dio took a punch to the head from Star Platinum. Even leaving aside the absence of the Jackal (if the Jackal appears and it's still Schroedinger Alucard that's already a spoiler that Dio will win by the way, they'll only do that if it's to show it won't help, same with if he somehow has level 0 despite being Schroedinger Alucard), Alucard just can't break Dio physically. At the same time, Dio can't kill Alucard's disembodied consciousness using The World or physical strikes.

Dio's only possible wincon is using a flesh bud, which might not work. First of all the flesh bud works by messing with the brain. Alucard can still think after his brain gets slashed off, and Anderson could still think with his brain scrambled by the Jackal. Second of all Alucard is resistant to mental influence. I'm not sure the flesh bud will work. It's never been shown to influence anyone with resistance to mental manipulation nor has it been shown to work on someone whose ability to think and live isn't dependant on their brain. It might be possible if Dio used multiple flesh buds though, but he can only put so many on one head. At the same time Dio's own regeneration will easily shrug off whatever flea bites Alucard manages to inflict. The only two possible wincons I can see for Alucard are to either target Dio's mind with his own hypnosis ability, which has never been shown to work on anyone except a weak willed hotel clerk, or wait out the night and expose Dio to sunlight. We can talk about Alucard's ability to enter Dio's mind and give him nightmares like he did to Seras at the start, but if Dio can keep his nerve through a century locked in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean what's a few minutes of nightmares going to do?

As I said, I'm sure Death Battle will pick one or more of those wincon to decide the battle or interpret Schroedinger differently, or just not use Schroedinger, but I do think that Part 3 Dio vs Post-Schroedinger Alucard is a battle that's likely to never end. Even the sunlight wincon for Alucard, which gives him a huge advantage in the day, isn't certain since he's not really in a position to move Dio anywhere Dio doesn't want to be moved to, and if he tries to bring down the building with Dio in it The World will stop him every time he attempts it. That could possibly be a way for Alucard to win in all honesty, but winning by morning sunrise isn't exactly a win for Alucard so much as a win for the sun.
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
In all honesty regarding Dio vs Alucard, I do think that realistically it's a battle with no end. It's true that Schroedinger is open to interpretation though. Still, I think attaching omnipotence to an ability that only applies to his own state (no-one else's) in two ways, one being his health and the other being his location, is silly. Basically Alucard is projecting himself. And when that projection smashes into a million pieces after The World hits it, Alucard's disembodied consciousness will simply project a new projection. However, when Alucard attacks Dio he'll never get past The World and even if he did the damage he inflicts with his gun will heal easily. I guess he could target Dio's head, and I guess there is a chance Dio will make a mistake and get hit, but even then Dio took a punch to the head from Star Platinum. Even leaving aside the absence of the Jackal (if the Jackal appears and it's still Schroedinger Alucard that's already a spoiler that Dio will win by the way, they'll only do that if it's to show it won't help, same with if he somehow has level 0 despite being Schroedinger Alucard), Alucard just can't break Dio physically. At the same time, Dio can't kill Alucard's disembodied consciousness using The World or physical strikes.

Dio's only possible wincon is using a flesh bud, which might not work. First of all the flesh bud works by messing with the brain. Alucard can still think after his brain gets slashed off, and Anderson could still think with his brain scrambled by the Jackal. Second of all Alucard is resistant to mental influence. I'm not sure the flesh bud will work. It's never been shown to influence anyone with resistance to mental manipulation nor has it been shown to work on someone whose ability to think and live isn't dependant on their brain. It might be possible if Dio used multiple flesh buds though, but he can only put so many on one head. At the same time Dio's own regeneration will easily shrug off whatever flea bites Alucard manages to inflict. The only two possible wincons I can see for Alucard are to either target Dio's mind with his own hypnosis ability, which has never been shown to work on anyone except a weak willed hotel clerk, or wait out the night and expose Dio to sunlight. We can talk about Alucard's ability to enter Dio's mind and give him nightmares like he did to Seras at the start, but if Dio can keep his nerve through a century locked in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean what's a few minutes of nightmares going to do?

As I said, I'm sure Death Battle will pick one or more of those wincon to decide the battle or interpret Schroedinger differently, or just not use Schroedinger, but I do think that Part 3 Dio vs Post-Schroedinger Alucard is a battle that's likely to never end. Even the sunlight wincon for Alucard, which gives him a huge advantage in the day, isn't certain since he's not really in a position to move Dio anywhere Dio doesn't want to be moved to, and if he tries to bring down the building with Dio in it The World will stop him every time he attempts it. That could possibly be a way for Alucard to win in all honesty, but winning by morning sunrise isn't exactly a win for Alucard so much as a win for the sun.
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How no Schrodinger Alucard din comparison
 
I know it's weird to ask but why would DB use Schrodinger Alucard? The main reason why I mention it, is because Schrodinger Alucard to me is like an unknown factor to the fight. It's not that he doesn't have use for it, but at the same time he never got to use it in any meaningful way because the story ended and it's something he says he can do but never uses it so to me I don't see a reason to use a power that he never got to utilize
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I know it's weird to ask but why would DB use Schrodinger Alucard? The main reason why I mention it, is because Schrodinger Alucard to me is like an unknown factor to the fight. It's not that he doesn't have use for it, but at the same time he never got to use it in any meaningful way because the story ended and it's something he says he can do but never uses it so to me I don't see a reason to use a power that he never got to utilize
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It's unknown
Schrodinger Alucard is far weaker than he was before the EOS given he lost all of his familiars and such
 
Joycap said:
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The one next to the Ilia matchup?
 
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Schroedinger himself used those powers and Alucard assimilated Schroedinger's characteristics as stated by the major. It's true pre-Schroedinger is better defined, but Schroedinger's abilities are demonstrated. Avoiding using it when both characters are supposed to be at their best seems kind of unreasonable. But whatever, Death Battle will do what they'll do. It's pointless trying to predict something that isn't consistent.

If Death Battle uses Pre-Schroedinger Alucard then Dio will overcome him I'd say. Of course they might decide to scale Alucard's mental attacks to Zorin's and say that since Dio doesn't have mental resistance Alucard can scramble his mind and make him run into the sunlight or something. It's not as if most Hellsing vampires aren't weak to sunlight. Alucard is the exception, not the rule. In all honesty I don't know what to expect because Death Battle pick and choose what to accept. I have found that one useful factor in predicting their outcomes is checking the win/loss record of the verses and/or characters. Jotaro lost against Kenshiro, so Dio might win so JoJo's will have a 50/50 win/loss rate.

Anyway, as long as they do something besides Marvel vs DC ad nauseum it's a start. It's gotten to the point where I lose interest the moment I see them announce a Marvel vs DC battle, and not just because Screwattack arguably have a financial incentive to give DC characters the win, particularly the ones whose movies are currently successful, in particular Wonder Woman, the very character who has a 100% win rate for the last few seasons. Anyway, they'll do whatever. It's impossible to know exactly.
 
That's the problem with battles based on similarities. They can be massive stomps. One character might collapse on themself and be erased because the other character farted in their general direction. But at least they both have similar relationships with some other character in two entirely different verses and a similar character arc and story.
 
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That's the problem with battles based on similarities. They can be massive stomps. One character might collapse on themself and be erased because the other character farted in their general direction. But at least they both have similar relationships with some other character in two entirely different verses and a similar character arc and story.
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Yeah, it'd probably just be better to have no fight at all i guess
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Sakata Gintoki VS Deadpool (Gintama VS Marvel Comics)

If Death Battle ever decide to bring back Deadpool (which may happen seen to many returning characters they had in this last season), it should only be to have him fight Gintoki and no one else.
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Should have happened sooner, best 4th wall breaking characters from west/east, which had a lot of stuff going for them
 
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