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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Joycap Xenosaga MU spreads
Episode: Ziggy (AKA: Jan Sauer / Ziggurat 8)

Prereqs / possible relations:
  • Be some form of cyborg, or not technically 'human'. Bonus points for being a resurrectee (in Ziggy's case, he was an organ donor, which was interpreted as grounds for him to be revived under the LRA).
  • Lose family and friends right in front of you (hence Kratos being high on this list)
  • Potentially live for longer than the average lifespan.
  • Primarily be a boxer, but have much in the way of hidden weaponry and firearms at the ready.
Extra ideas appreciated.

EDIT:
Power 4-B to 1-C, depending on how you interpret Zarathustra scaling and outliers
 
The_Smashor said:
If you're gonna do this with Xeno, I'm gonna do this with Gunvolt
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1) Go ahead, I'd love to see others
2) Shit, I forgot the Gunvolt rep on both (Jr/Ziggy) lists. I'll have to look into that because I KNEW I was missing a series
2.5) I'll have to look into Cave Story while I'm at it.
 
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The One: The best matchup for the character. Would be hype af if it was announced.
Good Alts: Almost as good, if not equal to The One, the difference sometimes just being personal preference. Nearly equal to The One in hype.
Fine?: Somewhat worse than Good Alts, but still very good matchups. Usually have just a few things holding them back. Would be happy if it was announced.
Eh: Matchups where the connections are there, but either the fight itself dosn't vibe or they're just far worse than higher places. Would neutral if it was announced
No Thanks: Bad Death Battle Fanon Wiki-tier matchups. Would be legit mad if it was announced.
The One: Miriam (Bloodstained series)
Good Alts: K' (King of Fighters), Mourdred (Fate), Mikoto Misaka (A certain magical index)
Fine?: Cole MacGrath (InFAMOUS), Invincible (...), Artoria Pendragon (Fate), Blake Belladonna (RWBY)
Eh: Zero (Mega Man Zero), Mega Man X (...), Shovel Knight (...), Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia), Laxus Dreyar (Fairy Tail), Saffron (One Step from Eden)
No Thanks: Bass (Mega Man), Beck (Mighty No. 9), Shantae (...), Metal Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog), Quote (Cave Story)

Good connections for Gunvolt MUs:
  • Artificially created/given power
  • Given power from another being
    • Bonus points if said person is a major figure in their life, and they end up going against them.
  • Strive for equality between Humans and some offshoot of Humans (Typically some kind of Marvel Mutant stand-in) and is a member of the latter
  • Failed in some way that still haunts them
  • Use lightning as their main form of attack
Power range:
  • Generally around City level
 
The_Smashor said:
GunvoltMatchups.jpg

The One: The best matchup for the character. Would be hype af if it was announced.
Good Alts: Almost as good, if not equal to The One, the difference sometimes just being personal preference. Nearly equal to The One in hype.
Fine?: Somewhat worse than Good Alts, but still very good matchups. Usually have just a few things holding them back. Would be happy if it was announced.
Eh: Matchups where the connections are there, but either the fight itself dosn't vibe or they're just far worse than higher places. Would neutral if it was announced
No Thanks: Bad Death Battle Fanon Wiki-tier matchups. Would be legit mad if it was announced.
The One: Miriam (Bloodstained series)
Good Alts: K' (King of Fighters), Mourdred (Fate), Mikoto Misaka (A certain magical index)
Fine?: Cole MacGrath (InFAMOUS), Invincible (...), Artoria Pendragon (Fate), Blake Belladonna (RWBY)
Eh: Zero (Mega Man Zero), Mega Man X (...), Shovel Knight (...), Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia), Laxus Dreyar (Fairy Tail), Saffron (One Step from Eden)
No Thanks: Bass (Mega Man), Beck (Mighty No. 9), Shantae (...), Metal Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog), Quote (Cave Story)

Good connections for Gunvolt MUs:
  • Artificially created/given power
  • Given power from another being
    • Bonus points if said person is a major figure in their life, and they end up going against them.
  • Strive for equality between Humans and some offshoot of Humans (Typically some kind of Marvel Mutant stand-in) and is a member of the latter
  • Failed in some way that still haunts them
  • Use lightning as their main form of attack
Power range:
  • Generally around City level
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Where would Killua go?
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
Doesn't Ken have the guy from Parasite too and Eren has the guy from Code Geass?
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Eren Yeager will be (pit for) fighting Gipsy Danger or Ken Kaneki.
Meanwhile Ken Kaneki is pit against Eren Yeager and Shinichi Izumi. But most prefer Kan Kaneki vs Eren Yeager because their power levels are more similar (esp. Post Dragon Ken vs Founding Titan Eren will be used).

As for Eren... The interaction with Lelouch will be weird.

... And who is fighting Hiro Shishigami (Inuyashiki)? From Tokyo Ghoul or where else?

Theglassman12 said:
@Jasonsith btw, I’ve heard there’s some apparent Star level or universe level statements or feats from Fist of the North Star, are they legit or is it taking stuff out of context?
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Star level FOTNS allegations come from a ritual where a ki dragon eats a ki star from an Earth sky.

Meanwhile an unknown (by now) degree of destruction of the Earth surface (vaporisation of all water on Earth, crack on Earth surface etc) is used to scale the full potential of Hokuto Ryuken. Which post seal-lifted Kenshiro scale above.

The_Smashor said:
Gunvolt vs Killua Zoldyck
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Probably "Fine" or "eh".

Connections are there but they don't really do it for me.
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Killua vs Gunvolt? May look cool and "at least fine, possibly good alt".
 
Just saw a review of Psychonauts 2. Apparently it's combat is really good, so Raz vs Ness could have a really good fight animation with a great flow combined with Smash Bros-inspired stuff for Ness
 
The_Smashor said:
Just saw a review of Psychonauts 2. Apparently it's combat is really good, so Raz vs Ness could have a really good fight animation with a great flow combined with Smash Bros-inspired stuff for Ness
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Ohohohoho, You wouldn't even able to predict what my Imagination prepared for Raz vs Ness.
 
The_Smashor said:
Just saw a review of Psychonauts 2. Apparently it's combat is really good, so Raz vs Ness could have a really good fight animation with a great flow combined with Smash Bros-inspired stuff for Ness
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I mean honestly it was pretty similar to the first game. The only thing that really felt different was the dodge mechanic they added in, but I forgot it existed most of the time cause I was so used to dodging with the Levitation Ball lol
 
The_Smashor said:
I cannot see the pictures.
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Nanashi(SMT) and Demi-Fiend matchup tierlist basically
Nanashi:
•the one:
-Madoka Kaname
•no one in good alts
•Fine?:
-Gorr the god butcher
•Eh:
-SMT BR
•No thank you:
-Chara(Undertale)
-Sonic
-Demifiend

Demifiend:
•the one:
-spawn
•good alts:
-Laharl
•no one in fine
•eh:
-Gorr again
-Homura Akemi
-Ange Ushiromiya
•no thanks:
-Flandre Scarlet
-Joker(Ren Amamiya)
-Chara again
-Shulk
-Sora
-Sonic again
 
The_Smashor said:
Me and Joycap, shoehorning Gunvolt and Xeno respectively into every conversation:
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Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
At least you're not the one reminding everybody of Larryboy vs Bibleman...
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Now, onto what I was actually going to say...

The_Smashor said:
GunvoltMatchups.jpg

The One: The best matchup for the character. Would be hype af if it was announced.
Good Alts: Almost as good, if not equal to The One, the difference sometimes just being personal preference. Nearly equal to The One in hype.
Fine?: Somewhat worse than Good Alts, but still very good matchups. Usually have just a few things holding them back. Would be happy if it was announced.
Eh: Matchups where the connections are there, but either the fight itself dosn't vibe or they're just far worse than higher places. Would neutral if it was announced
No Thanks: Bad Death Battle Fanon Wiki-tier matchups. Would be legit mad if it was announced.
The One: Miriam (Bloodstained series)
Good Alts: K' (King of Fighters), Mourdred (Fate), Mikoto Misaka (A certain magical index)
Fine?: Cole MacGrath (InFAMOUS), Invincible (...), Artoria Pendragon (Fate), Blake Belladonna (RWBY)
Eh: Zero (Mega Man Zero), Mega Man X (...), Shovel Knight (...), Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia), Laxus Dreyar (Fairy Tail), Saffron (One Step from Eden)
No Thanks: Bass (Mega Man), Beck (Mighty No. 9), Shantae (...), Metal Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog), Quote (Cave Story)

Good connections for Gunvolt MUs:
  • Artificially created/given power
  • Given power from another being
    • Bonus points if said person is a major figure in their life, and they end up going against them.
  • Strive for equality between Humans and some offshoot of Humans (Typically some kind of Marvel Mutant stand-in) and is a member of the latter
  • Failed in some way that still haunts them
  • Use lightning as their main form of attack
Power range:
  • Generally around City level
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I am not bullshitting when I say that Zeke von Genbu fits at least 4 of these 5 connections, if not all of them.

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Let's go down the list:
  • Artificially created/given power
  • Given power from another being
    • Bonus points if said person is a major figure in their life, and they end up going against them.
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This one is pretty straightforward. On the one hand, I interpret this as something that the subject in question would not possess naturally (I don't recall GV getting Septima naturally, or using it lest it mean ending up under Azimov's wing. I could be wrong, though). On the other, Blades on the wiki are described as 'weaponized life forms', an augmentation of someone's fighting ability in Alrest. and for those that remember the Architect's 20-minute exposition dump, he states how he basically had to recreate life, atoning for the sin he'd committed in the previous universe. For those that know who that was, it could be argued that that all life on Alrest is 'artificially created' in some way, lest we justify he was rewarded for his folly. You know the one...

Blades also go through multiple drivers, so to say that Zeke got Pandoria from 'another being' (a previous driver) is on the same level of debate as 'water is wet' (see also: the Architect). As for the major person in his life turned major-antagonist, that would be Amalthus. But naturally, there is some contrast:

Amalthus didn't give Zeke Pandoria, he already had Pandy before Amalthus and the Indolines found Zeke out about to die (another point we'll come back to). Hence Zeke briefly becoming a proxy for Amalthus, and we all know how that turned out... (if you couldn't guess, Amalthus goes against everyone because he's supremacist and all that). Although, despite Zeke having Pandoria before Amalthus entered his life, you could make the argument that Zeke becoming a Blade Eater as a result of the CC transplant could be similar, or an amp of some kind.

"Pandoria looks pretty damn human for a blade..."

  • Strive for equality between Humans and some offshoot of Humans (Typically some kind of Marvel Mutant stand-in) and is a member of the latter
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Alrest verse already took this in it's stride, if not already achieved it if they see Core Crystals as natural. Indol did have an anti-war sentiment that they attributed to the Blades themselves, and Amalthus's 'cleansing' was actually a sterilising agent for Titans (where have I heard that before...?), contributing to less living land, but other than that... depends how you interpret it.

  • Failed in some way that still haunts them
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While the details of what went down aren't entirely clear, Zeke does drop his backstory of how he "almost bloody died" while the party is looking for the 3rd Aegis Sword in Spirit Crucible Elpys. Cutscene itself explains it better than I ever could.



  • Use lightning as their main form of attack
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Power range:
  • Generally around City level
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(Imma just take this as an opportunity to prattle off who wins)

I do understand the concerns people have about pitting High 6-A against 7-B, but I do think Preservation and the Septima's Electric Immunity brings Zeke down to GV's level. I also think that GV ultimately outpaces Zeke, not just because Jota and Merak are far more consistent forms of Lightspeed scaling for him, but because I've always found the lightspeed scaling for Jin to Zeke to be rather dubious, and not backed by much. Jin isn't much of a talker, as seen in his personality, he was obviously being sarcastic when he tried to flatter Zeke for his speed. And while I do think that XC2 has false proclivities as a power scaling case study, I do think that the scenes on Genbu Crown is far more honest about it, with editing used to show that characters are getting properly speed blitzed.



Couple all of that with Anthem and GV's more abundant hax list, and Zeke has a hard time in this fight.

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The_Smashor said:
Just saw a review of Psychonauts 2. Apparently it's combat is really good, so Raz vs Ness could have a really good fight animation with a great flow combined with Smash Bros-inspired stuff for Ness
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When someone says "Psychonauts 2 review" i think about angry russian dudes who reviewbomb the game
 
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