DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[BlackDarkness679]

Still more than enough to beat Giorno by a landslide.

If they believe in infinite speed GER via MiH and the other stand from part 5 and Joker has no counter to RTZ, let alone if they believe death loop is even activated by hit (one of bios said it like that), its gonna be tougher

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

This must be what it felt like to be rooting for discord

Fraudock and Fraudcord are weaker than Core Level Omni-Man and the triangular spraycan victim. Don't question the results.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

The Sun Disc is the perfect example of what goes on in a writer’s mind VS a powerscaler’s mind. I don’t think Kirkman thought of the ramifications of having the ship with technology like that AND the statement saying the coalition doesn’t have any technology that can hurt Viltrimites. So if you are going off of pure powerscaling brainrot and ignore consistently, then yes, Omni-Man would beat SSJ Bardock as crazy as it sounds.

 

[ShawnFaux]

Am I misremembering, or does Joker outright resist the effects of GER? Love JoJo, but I can't see how they'd give Giorno a win, here. Which would make it even funnier if they did.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

He resisted fate durning the end of the game, so he should.

 

[Chronicplane]

interesting how in breakdown they went over an addressed the comparison of grade 1 super saiyan an the different levels an full power, nice eye of detail.. even if it might not be totally accurate in Dock's case.

 

[Bigdongus]

I am so glad I stopped taking this show super seriously a few seasons ago

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Am I misremembering, or does Joker outright resist the effects of GER? Love JoJo, but I can't see how they'd give Giorno a win, here. Which would make it even funnier if they did.

Didn't he resist fate in the game?

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

You're telling me a random ship can output star level power? But couldn't pop into Viltrum and destroy it with utter ease? What the ****

This part is stupid because the whole point is that a single viltrumite could tank and destroy it, let alone a planet of them

 

[Lawyerr]

I am so glad I stopped taking this show super seriously a few seasons ago

It was literally such an easy slam dunk. The G1 blog did a 500000x better job.

 

[Derpmaster9000]

The Sun Disc is the perfect example of what goes on in a writer’s mind VS a powerscaler’s mind. I don’t think Kirkman thought of the ramifications of having the ship with technology like that AND the statement saying the coalition doesn’t have any technology that can hurt Viltrimites. So if you are going off of pure powerscaling brainrot and ignore consistently, then yes, Omni-Man would beat SSJ Bardock as crazy as it sounds.

It actually doesn't. You still have to make several unsubstantiated assumptions in order to get the numbers they're getting for the sun disk. It's straight fraudulent, lol.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Oh so that's what they gave for the Sun Disk Feat.
Planet Vegeta's destruction has been calc is 3,704.59 Quettatons.
Freize put in more effect in his quick skirmish with Vegeta in his First Form than he did destroying his planet.

This Begeta has a power level of 250,000

SSDock has a power level of 500,000
Bare minimum Bardock should scale to twice of Planet Vegeta's destruction so around 7409.18 Quettatons.
It's still lower than this wank but with an ungodly speed advantage he'd still reasonably win.

They mention a speed feat that Nolan would scale to that would only make him "only" about 14 times slower than Bardock.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

As for the next time (Joker vs Giorno) - I genuinely do not think Joker needs 1-A SMT wank to win (depending on how much people buy into anywhere near Uni Jojo's). Depends which Persona's they actually give Joker, or just use the options as a catch all 'he wins more scenarios'.

They can either give him a team consisting of his closest confidants' rewarded personas of their Arcanas...

But I think the easier and more likely solution is to give him his set from his superboss fight in Reload. Which consists of Arsene, Satan, Attis, Anubis, and of course Satanael.

 

[ShawnFaux]

Didn't he resist fate in the game?

I'm pretty sure he did, but it's been awhile since I've Persona 5 or any of the spin offs.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Joker vs Giorno isn't a stats debate its"can joker resist GER"

I feel they're mostly gonna go the "Joker can resist fate so he can resist GER" or something idk.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

He resisted fate durning the end of the game, so he should.

GER nulled King Crimson prediction of punching Giorno chest like Kakyoin and these are fated

He needs causality resistance

 

[Gyra1524]

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I hate that black box where they go 'if we gave bardock some proper ass scaling he'd compare but then we'd just wank our already wanked feat higher'

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

It's straight up misinformation as this point.

Hinging the entire argument off the sun disc, with calculations that range from pentatons to quettatons, while completely ignoring the Viltrum bust context is insanity.

It's essentially manufactured an Omniman win no matter what. Why go off a feat with so many assumptions, no visible explosion, and it completely goes against the entire narrative of Invincible.

You're telling me a random ship can output star level power? But couldn't pop into Viltrum and destroy it with utter ease? What the ****

Like I said, I don't know much about Invincible, so my enjoyment of the episode is a bit more divorced from it's actual accuracy.

But fair enough.

 

[Deidalius]

Did y'all see that this episode had no animated avatars?

I am glad, I hope this is the case with this episode and future episodes. Animated avatars are lame, I hated them.

 

[AcidSilver]

GER nulled King Crimson prediction of punching Giorno chest like Kakyoin and these are fated

He needs causality resistance

Also King Crimson is all about resisting Fate. People just think its time manipulation because of the method that KC uses to defy Fate (and also because most people don't even understand how it works anyway). Fate Manipulation is probably one of the worst things to try to argue would give Joker the win.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

On the brighter side of things...

ASURA CAN STILL WIN, LETS GOOOOOO

 

[AcidSilver]

Did y'all see that this episode had no animated avatars?

I am glad, I hope this is the case with this episode and future episodes. Animated avatars are lame, I hated them.

It's very possible that this might only be the case for the initial four episodes since they were made/being worked on before the Kickstarter. Now that they got a shit ton of cash from the Kickstarter it might mean that they can afford to use them again.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

GER nulled King Crimson prediction of punching Giorno chest like Kakyoin and these are fated

He needs causality resistance

There's apparently a boss fight in Persona Q2 where they break out of a time loop.

 

[Bigdongus]

On the brighter side of things...

ASURA CAN STILL WIN, LETS GOOOOOO

This and Godzilla

Unpredictability is BACK

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I hate that black box where they go 'if we gave bardock some proper ass scaling he'd compare but then we'd just wank our already wanked feat higher'

Yeah that was complete and total horseshit.

 

[Deidalius]

It's very possible that this might only be the case for the initial four episodes since they were made/being worked on before the Kickstarter. Now that they got a shit ton of cash from the Kickstarter it might mean that they can afford to use them again.

No more animated avatars for 4 months is still good.

 

[Lawyerr]

Basically what would happen when you don't go out of your way to wank a certain characters.

It's incredible how this blog considered so many interpretations and different arguments and still found Bardock winning.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Also King Crimson is all about resisting Fate. People just think its time manipulation because of the method that KC uses to defy Fate (and also because most people don't even understand how it works anyway). Fate Manipulation is probably one of the worst things to try to argue would give Joker the win.

The thing is, King Crimson still showed what was fated to happen. If GER didn't revert King Crimson's actions, Giorno was going to die.

 

[Tots_Real]

They mention a speed feat that Nolan would scale to that would only make him "only" about 14 times slower than Bardock.

oh ok... that's still pretty actually massive. The gap the average person and a car is only like 10.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I also can't wait for Death Battles to meme about debunk videos when those videos are debunking some of the worst research in the shows history

 

[EJthe24th]

Does this mean the sun disk can be made sense of?

Cause I get the difference between Toei vs. Super canons on PL between Bardock, King Vegeta, and First Form Frieza and all, but can someone explain to me how the sun disk can be used legitimately please?

 

[PonePoster]

It's..... so beautiful......

 

[Chronicplane]

I like the animated avatars tho

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

We're really gonna have two huge controversies in a row when Giorno inevitably wins

Starting this season off with 2 bangs

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

oh ok... that's still pretty actually massive. The gap the average person and a car is only like 10.

Yeah, it is. Still, it's smaller than the 20,000x gap it was otherwise.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I like the animated avatars tho

So did I. I don't mind seeing them go, though (I didn't even realize they were gone until someone mentioned it).

 

[TMaakkonen]

On the bright side, this is relevant again.

KICK THE CAT

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Hmm, will they give Joker Satanael? Because if they do, he's without a doubt winning

 

[Lawyerr]

Hmm, will they give Joker Satanael? Because if they do, he's without a doubt winning

Where have I heard that before