DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Jokes about lore and feats aside, how many people here do buy into the cosmic level stuff for GOW?

Personally I don't buy the complex multiversal stuff (But that's not against GOW specifically I just think dimensional tiering is cringe) but I do think low multiversal is fine due to the ascension intro and Thor splintering yggdrasil. For speed I def don't think he's got infinite combat speed / reactions or whatever (Again, not against GOW specfically I think 99% of characters on VSBW with that level of speed don't deserve it) but being way faster than light is fine since even the redeemed warrior can go at light speed and is bascially fodder to anyone important and, again, funny primordials moving their entire bodies while containing star within themselves.

I agree with you, 2-C is honestly fine, Tier 1 GOW only exists due to specific in-wiki standards

FTL to higher Kratos shouldn't be too much of a problem, i'm more iffy on infinite speed but don't have that much of a problem with it as most people have

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Simon brothers, we have to hold out on the front lines! We will overcome

 

[Dust_Collector]

Mario Morons and Sonic Shills, how we feeling about this potential outcome?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Mario Morons and Sonic Shills, how we feeling about this potential outcome?

I'd love it because it means sage or infinte made him and it's an eggman win

 

[Dust_Collector]

I'd love it because it means sage or infinte made him and it's an eggman win

neither of those losers could ever replicate the Chad Ganondorf nor would he spare Eggfraud and his army of fodder

 

[Darkmon_cns]

neither of those losers could ever replicate the Chad Ganondorf nor would he spare Eggfraud and his army of fodder

Master emerald def counts as a holy weapon

 

[Dust_Collector]

What has it done that could be considered holy?

 

[koopa3144]

Mario Morons and Sonic Shills, how we feeling about this potential outcome?

The ganondorf swep is inevitable...

 

[Darkmon_cns]

What has it done that could be considered holy?

Made by a religious coded order to control primordial forces of the universe that have existed sense the beginning of time. Seems pretty holy

 

[Dust_Collector]

The ganondorf swep is inevitable...

Bowser: I can't beleive this, all my magic, my incredible strength, the pure hearts and the dream stone. NOTHINGS WORKING
Eggman: The phantom ruby has no effect on him, Metal can't copy his biodata, the time eaters time erasure is having no effect, IT'S... IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WHY IS NOTHING AFFECTING HIM

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Bowser: I can't beleive this, all my magic, my incredible strength, the pure hearts and the dream stone. NOTHINGS WORKING
Eggman: The phantom ruby has no effect on him, Metal can't copy his biodata, the time eaters time erasure is having no effect, IT'S... IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WHY IS NOTHING AFFECTING HIM

trapped in a data scape

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Death Battle hates featsmen so you better prepare that shoe.

Is leather digestible by any chance

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Bowser: I can't beleive this, all my magic, my incredible strength, the pure hearts and the dream stone. NOTHINGS WORKING
Eggman: The phantom ruby has no effect on him, Metal can't copy his biodata, the time eaters time erasure is having no effect, IT'S... IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WHY IS NOTHING AFFECTING HIM

Then explain why I'm able to beat Ganondorf using a bottle in Ocarina of Time and a fishing pole in Twilight Princess, hmm? Those don't sound like holy weapons to me.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Simon brothers, we have to hold out on the front lines! We will overcome

You gotta touch the untouchable, break the unbreakable

 

[Dust_Collector]

trapped in a data scape

datascape isn't holy

Then explain why I'm able to beat Ganondorf using a bottle in Ocarina of Time and a fishing pole in Twilight Princess, hmm? Those don't sound like holy weapons to me.

Both are wielded by link which makes them holy plus you can't beat him with them, they only help Link make openings for his holy weapons to even hit him

 

[TMaakkonen]

Is there any series you dont doubt its lore for bare minimum?

Uhh cant think of one immediately thats 100% issue free.

I feel like you could find issues in most verses if you look hard enough.

 

[Tipper17]

everyone favorite fight

 

[Theuser789]

What has it done that could be considered holy?

Holy Manipulation (The Chaos Emeralds are described as wondrous and miracle gems that perform miracles once they are all gathered together)

The Chaos Emeralds page.

 

[Theuser789]

Oh no Bowserbros... our tinfoil about the reposted video meaning a loss... GONE!

 

[Starsprite53]

The Chaos Emeralds page.

Yeah I will definitely axe that

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

everyone favorite fight

My honest reaction to this. This is my personal Goku vs Superman 2 or Ben vs Hal

 

[Dust_Collector]

The Chaos Emeralds page.

Jokes aside that might be some of the weakest holy manipulation I've seen on a profile, they perform miracles? Weak sauce the average holy spell in an JRPG clears the dumb rocks and their holy powers.

Ganondorf still soloes via needing REAL holy weapons to handle him.

 

[TartaChocholate]

The Chaos Emeralds page.

But is that actually holy manipulation? Performing miracles (I mean, plenty of times demonic forces have done so in stories) and being described as good or great doesn't necesarily mean holiness.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Theuser789]

But is that actually holy manipulation? Performing miracles (I mean, plenty of times demonic forces have done so in stories) and being described as good or great doesn't necesarily mean holiness.

Miracles: The ability to produce miracles or generate exceedingly unlikely or otherwise impossible events by using holy power. Can be considered a form of Probability Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, or Reality Warping

In the holy manipulation page.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

I remember that DB once said that DK's Moon punch made Mario comparable to Dark Gaia.

Island level Light-Man & Time Eater confirmed.

 

[Bigdongus]

Are there any other matchups that Ben 10 would lose? I’m remembering the salt from Ben vs hal and it’s making me nostalgic

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

What has it done that could be considered holy?

Prayed to Jesus Christ every Sunday.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

"Ben and Chad are most excited for Ruby VS Maka"

I suppose that's not that surprising, Ruby vs Maka has always been one of those episodes they've been wanting to do for years at this point in time. But I am curious to learn why Ben and Chad are excited for that specific episode.

They're excited to give Ruby DC scaling and make her solo Maka? That could be the reason why.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Are there any other matchups that Ben 10 would lose? I’m remembering the salt from Ben vs hal and it’s making me nostalgic

That Jaden Yuki guy from Yugioh GX probably.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Are there any other matchups that Ben 10 would lose? I’m remembering the salt from Ben vs hal and it’s making me nostalgic

Alien X does sometimes get compared to Eternity and the Living Tribunial due to similarities, and lol at him beating either of them.

 

[Starsprite53]

In the holy manipulation page.

"by using holy power"
Chaos energy was never referred as holy power in the series so that doesn't work, if anything, miraculous by definition (or one of its) means "very effective or surprising, or difficult to believe", which is something chaos emeralds do on regular basis

 

[Bigdongus]

Ben and chad are most excited for rwbyshit

Of course

 

[Theuser789]

"by using holy power"
Chaos energy was never referred as holy power in the series so that doesn't work, if anything, miraculous by definition (or one of its) means "very effective or surprising, or difficult to believe", which is something chaos emeralds do on regular basis

The future Chaos Energy page is going to have more evidence, but you're actually wrong here. Like, completely so.

 

[TartaChocholate]

In the holy manipulation page.

I mean, it's true but what the page specifies is that miracles performed through the holy power are a potential application of Holy Manipulation, not that performing miracles in itself is by default a holy power. Especially considering that Chaos Energy and many other things in Sonic have reality warping powers and all.

I'm not really doubting the Master Emerald having holy properties or anything, just that I feel the justification is a bit lacking- I mean, there could a line of Knuckles openly saying it's sacred or Sonic using it to kill Dracula, or something.

 

[Theuser789]

I mean, it's true but what the page specifies is that miracles performed through the holy power are a potential application of Holy Manipulation, not that performing miracles in itself is by default a holy power. Especially considering that Chaos Energy and many other things in Sonic have reality warping powers and all.

I'm not really doubting the Master Emerald having holy properties or anything, just that I feel the justification is a bit lacking- I mean, there could a line of Knuckles openly saying it's sacred or Sonic using it to kill Dracula, or something.

I agree with the justification being lacking. The Chaos Energy page is going to rectify that.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

 

[Tipper17]

Are there any other matchups that Ben 10 would lose? I’m remembering the salt from Ben vs hal and it’s making me nostalgic

Jaden one

 

[TartaChocholate]

I agree with the justification being lacking. The Chaos Energy page is going to rectify that.

Neato.

Speaking of, unrelated and just out of curiosity, is Sonic's Excalibur a holy sword like it usually is portrayed in media?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Are there any other matchups that Ben 10 would lose? I’m remembering the salt from Ben vs hal and it’s making me nostalgic

Blue Beetle and Jaden probably beat him

There's also a non-zero chance Beast Boy has some obscure feat that beats Alien X