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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

CinnabarManx421 said:
I just realized Death Battle has opened their revival with potentially 3 controversial episodes in a row lol. Bardock vs Omni-Man shouldn’t have been controversial but we all saw what happened there, Joker vs Giorno is a case of whose BS abilities you believe more, and Bowser vs Eggman has been such a debateable match that people will be arguing about it no matter who wins.
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HOPE IT WILL CALM DOWN, UNLIKE ME BC I DONT HAVE BROTHERSHIP
 
On an unrelated topic, I wonder who would be good matchups for the Wayfinder Trio?
Especially as a group.
(Even though that by our standards, they may not fight as a trio enough to have their match results posted to their profile if they have matchups as a team.)

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Terra (Kingdom Hearts)

Terra is a Keyblade Wielder training under Eraqus in the Land of Departure. He aspires to be a Keyblade Master, but Eraqus refuses to give Terra the title of Master after noticing the Darkness in Terra's heart during his Mark of Mastery Exam. But after learning that the Seven Princesses of Heart...
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Ventus (Kingdom Hearts)

Ventus is a rookie Keyblade wielder who trains alongside Terra and Aqua at the Land of Departure. He runs away from home to chase after Terra after receiving a warning of things to come. Despite not being as along in his training as they are, he's still a capable warrior and is eager to explore...
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Aqua (Kingdom Hearts)

Aqua is a Keyblade Wielder who trained under Master Eraqus alongside her friends Ventus and Terra. The only one among the trio to be named a Keyblade Master, she is entrusted by Eraqus to monitor both of her friends after they leave the Land of Departure, but finds herself torn between her...
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Terra, the strong one with an affinity for darkness, & Earth, per his namesake.
Ventus, the youngest, & swift, spirited one, with an affinity for Wind, per his namesake.
Aqua, the disciplined one, loyal to light & her masters, but moreso her friends, perhaps to a fault & has suffered for it. Water affinity, per her namesake.

They are separated by tragic circumstances, even as they each desperately need the others, & their friendships faulter when they later reunite, but eventually they do find their way back to each other.


Maybe some kind of Jedi, but I feel like between Mickey vs Yoda & Xehanort vs Palpatine, KH vs Star Wars has been done too much.

Capabilities-wise, they're extremely skilled handheld weapon users with magic, have summonable armor, & gliders for space travel, & visit many other worlds.

There's other details to them individually, like their fates at the end of BBS, which might help clarify their thematics... but it's spoilers for KH:BBS.
Read at your own risk.
Terra is manipulated by Xehanort into overusing darkness, leading to him fighting his master, Eraquus to protect Ventus, only for Xehanort to backstab his weary colleague. Xehanort's evils spur on the anger & hatred that fester Terra's Darkness, making his Heart Dark enough Xehanort can free his own Heart with his own Keyblade to steal Terra's body. Terra's Keyblade Armor then animates -Seemingly via his mind- & helps fight off the resulting Xehanort-possessed Terra, or "Terranort". However, this only wears out Teranort.

Ventus is forcefully separated into pure light (Himself) & pure darkness (by Vanitas) as part of a scheme to form the ultimate Keyblade, the X-Blade by having them clash once Ventus is a "strong enough light" against Vanitas. Because of this, Ventus's Master Eraquus, in his zealousy for Light, decides Ventus must be destroyed. Ultimately, Ventus survives, & with his friends, thwarts this plan of Xehanort's, but is left comatose, & his Heart (Akin to a soul.) goes dormant into Sora's for many years, which influences Sora. To protect him, Aqua seals him in a transformed land with an enchantment to keep out any intruders.

Aqua, having pursued her friends & fought off Xehanort's cohort, Xigbar, having secured the comatose Ventus with an enchantment only she can break, & having ensured her remaining Master, Yen Sid, that she will save Terra & Ventus, seeks out & fights Terranort & wins, who, as he collapses, opens a portal to the Realm of Darkness. Terranort & Aqua enter, & Aqua is able to send Terranort back out of it. However, while Terranort feigns amnesia with Xehanort in control of Terra's body, Aqua spends the next 13 years trapped almost entirely alone, wandering & fighting in The Realm of Darkness.



So yeah. Matchups, all?
 
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BlackDarkness679 said:
From a vs perspective it means what?
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It means that Valley of Screams are canonically locations in Bleach. If it's true that there's an infinite number of Valley of Screams (4D realms), then that would mean the Bleach cosmology has a shot at 2A, and the Garganta (basically the space holding their whole cosmology) may have 5D arguments.
 
OverlordDonnelly said:
It means that Valley of Screams are canonically locations in Bleach. If it's true that there's an infinite number of Valley of Screams (4D realms), then that would mean the Bleach cosmology has a shot at 2A, and the Garganta (basically the space holding their whole cosmology) may have 5D arguments.
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I mean the movie been canon for awhile so it's really nothing new especially when it got reference in the manga and Novel
 
Imaginym said:
Besides the wonkyness of the calc.... (IIRC, we have a calc blog of our own that tried it multiple ways because of DB & couldn't get the same result they did.)

Well, the other factor is it doesn't make sense plot wise.
The Sun Disk was there to block the sun from some race that gets stronger in sun light. Not the Ragnarrs or something, but still.

The Coalition of Planets or whatever it's called, for reasons I don't recall (Alien alliance, maybe?), wanted the disk gone. & it was stated elsewhere that they don't have any weapons that can hurt Viltrumites.
But a regular ship destroyed the Sun Disk with a laser blast. (I forget if they had help or not.)
(Nolan isn't even the strongest Viltrumite, FWIW, but he's at least Above Average, IIRC.)

DB used that to justify scaling Nolan above the feat's yield they got, since if they have no weapons strong enough to hurt Viltrumites, that would include the one that destroyed the Sun Disk, ergo, Omni-Man is stronger than the Sun Disk bust. (I forget their logic to say how it applies to Attack Potency/Striking Strength. Probably "He can hurt someone who can hurt him".)

The ship that did this was a regular, unexceptional ship, & this is a big plot hole because the main enemy in the story, IIRC, IS the Viltrumites, yet here they have a regular ship doing a feat stronger than ANYTHING ELSE Omni-Man had done.

& yes, that includes the like, Tier 6 Planet Bust or something he did with like, 2 other Viltrumites, by a targeted attack on a weak point in the core, & yet was still immensely difficult & nearly fatal for him.

The Sun Disk by comparison was like, high into Tier 5 or Tier 4; Mathematically, the yield they got is almost certainly an outlier just by the crazy difference.
Storywise, it's nonsense because why were they seeking other anti-Viltrumite options if they had ships that could hit harder than any Viltrumite feat? (& again, it contradicts their statements about lack of weapons to harm Viltrumites.)
& calc-wise, it doesn't line up with how other people have calc'd the feat.


Not to mention, Bardock arguably may have had a shot anyway! Why? Due to, IIRC, King Vegeta doing a very casual Triple Planet Bust.

King Vegeta is the king of the Saiyan race and the head of the royal family. In Dragon Ball Z, while he was facing Frieza on Namek, Vegeta remarked that, as a child he was already more powerful than his father, implying King Vegeta's power level is under 18,000.

Heck it may be lower than that. That PL of 18,000 comparison is from SAIYAN SAGA Vegeta, but as said, Vegeta was already stronger than his dad as a KID.
Do you think Kid Vegeta was close to the PL he had as an adult in the Saiyan Saga?!

Super Saiyan gives a 50x boost, & Bardock has a base power level of 10,000.

500,000 / 18,000 = 27.77

So if 18,000 (Or a lot less because that's Saiyan Saga Vegeta's PL & again, that's the PL used for comparison with King Vegeta.) is enough to destroy 3 Planets at once, very casually, & Super Saiyan Bardock is nearly 28 times stronger than that....

Well, IDK if the math actually works out to beat DB's Sun Disk feat yield, but I think you get the idea, right?

Sorry for all the words.
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Hmmmm... another case of going for the absolute highest possible end with a superhero (well Omniman is a bad guy, but you get my point). Werid how some seasons ago we would joke that Death Battle played it too safe when evaluating characters and now they've gone to the other extreme.
 
Vs debators love fiction that is grand and epic, featuring characters whose actions have great significance, and are usually supernatural in some way, or effectively supernatural through fictional superscience. 'Supernatural' literally means 'above nature', and when you combine characters whose powers are beyond nature, and the fact that the writers and readers want them and their actions to be cosmically significant, then justifications for universal levels of power, and the speed to cross cosmic distances, tend to start cropping up out of the weeds quite naturally.
 
TartaChocholate said:
So, uh, been watching the new DB episodes and all, but been away from discussions for a couple of months. What's the deal with Omniman vs Bardock? Sorry for the silly question, but I don't know anything about Invincible.
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Omniman was wanked to high heaven through a "feat" that is legit just ******* stupid and Bardock was downplayed. I feel like they already have a winner in their minds made up and then do whatever "research" to fit their reasonings, in these type of matchups.
 
WCMM said:
Vs debators love fiction that is grand and epic, featuring characters whose actions have great significance, and are usually supernatural in some way, or effectively supernatural through fictional superscience. 'Supernatural' literally means 'above nature', and when you combine characters whose powers are beyond nature, and the fact that the writers and readers want them and their actions to be cosmically significant, then justifications for universal levels of power, and the speed to cross cosmic distances, tend to start cropping up out of the weeds quite naturally.
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Supernatural is usually in reference to magical stuff in nature or which science cant explain on

Superhuman is the term you look for, which is characters that are better then even olympic athletes
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
Supernatural is usually in reference to magical stuff in nature or which science cant explain on
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It comes from latin. The term literally refers to things that are beyond the natural order, science being unable to explain them is more a side-effect of the fact that they are beyond science's purview. Superhuman means 'above human', and there are plenty of things in real life that are superhuman in some respect, lions, tigers, bears (oh, my!)
 
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