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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Six Dimensional, Outerversal, Boundless Wall
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Nah, biggest jobber in the series is sub wall level.
No wonder he raced Sonic instead of fighting him directly, even in Sonic 1 Sonic could break walls.
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No Metal Virus in the episode? Depending on when exactly last year the research was completed, Sage and Frontiers might not even be included.
Eggbros, we might be getting hoe’d.
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I don't think they'll ever subscribe to multi+ Sega Sonic,it'll throw the agenda off-kilter too much. I have a feeling Ultraguy will cite Ian Flynn statements about Solaris.
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Scales to Champion Rank Trainers. (Presuming that stuff from S/V applies here.) US/UM Protagonist fights Cyrus with Palkia/Dialga & Ultra Necrozma before becoming Champion.
Where she matches against Leon matters, since Leon strongest champion & all that.
Eternatus seemingly got downgraded, despite the Infinite Energy stuff & whatnot, but used to be like, High 3-A in Eternamax? IDK when the downgrade happened, nor why.
There's also Zygarde:
Tier: At least Low 6-B | At least 3-C, likely High 3-A | At least 3-C, likely High 3-A
Key: 10% | 50% | Complete
Mind, it's latter two keys involve manga scaling, but that may not be a problem if the Canon Split is indeed successfully undone.
The S/V protagonist has a crazy scaling chain. I can't remember if they battle anyone previous generation, but....
While starting The Teal Mask requires nothing but clearing the tutorial, to start The Indigo Disc DLC, you have to complete The Way Home & The Teal Mask, & the Mochi Madness DLC requires completing both of those.
The Way Home is the storyline that starts when you enter Area Zero & ends when you beat the final boss of the base game & clear the credits.
Area Zero is considered too dangerous for anyone who's not a Champion Rank Trainer to enter. Protagonist & their friends go in & have mandatory battles with several Paradox Pokemon, & find them to be strong. Of them, 1 was Champion Rank before the player character's journey even started.
To START The Way Home, you must clear all 3 campaigns. That's defeat all 5 Team Star Bases, all of The Titan Pokemon, & all of the Gym Leaders, Elite Four AND Champion Geeta, who IIRC, also has some strongest Champion or Champion Rank Trainer stuff.
I believe it's after becoming Champion or TWH that you'll unlock The Academy Ace Tournament, where you can refight characters.
& IIRC, 5 Star Raids are only unlocked after becoming Champion (In the base game.) & are considered dangerous. & 6 Star Raids are, IIRC, so dangerous Jacq is surprised when the player is okay after one of them.
7 Star Raids exist, but are mostly limited time events.
And Blueberry Academy has its own Elite Four, it gets a new Champion the player beats, as well as numerous refights.
Not to mention you have to beat Tera Stellar Terapagos. (Which also has a feat of breaking a Master Ball later, which could just be PIS or inconsequential, but Team Plasma's research stated the CT can't use their full power if caught with a ball; This is why the Red Chain has to be obtained from The Lake Trio. So breaking a Master Ball may suggest it broke a limit.)
Blueberry Academy also has Snacksworth's Quests. Besides his statements about his encounters with those Legendaries (Most are peaceful & inconsequential.) & the dubious canonicity, almost all of them can be done solo. (With the exceptions of Articuno, Zapdos & Moltres & Kubfu & the Group Quest Exclusives, they're all Version Exclusives.)
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Legendaries the S/V player characters can battle & catch solo via Snacksworth's Quest:
Scarlet: Ho-Oh, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Latios, Groudon, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Glastrier
Violet: Lugia, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Latias, Kyogre, Zekrom, Lunala, Spectrier
Group Quest Exclusive: Rayquaza, Kyurem, Necrozma.
Because you need to do The Indigo Disc (Which is Blueberry Academy stuff.) to do Mochi Madness, there may be a case that stuff in it, &/or Pecharunt (& by possible extension, The Loyal Three, which are fought in The Teal Mask.) scale above those Legendaries, too.
& of course, it could be argued that there's scaling above those Legendaries in the refights due to The Blueberry Quests point-based benchmarks.
Also, it bares mentioning that Terapagos created the Terastal Phenomenon. This means it powers the Tera Raid Pokemon. (Although, it could be via power released over time, as Tera Raid Pokemon are tied to the energy-satured Black Tera Raid Crystals.)
But uh yeah. Blueberry Academy also has Raids, IIRC.
& Tera Raid Pokemon can be a scary threat to at least Champion Level trainers IN A FOUR VS 1.
So uhhh yeah.
I guess it depends on if Cynthia can scale to S/V Protagonist somehow, such as by Blueberry Academy refightable trainers?
It is a tangled web to unweave, IMHO.
But it is to be tackled if/when the canon unsplitting revision concludes.
True.
Though, personally, my money's on Ash.
Tier: 9-B | High 7-A | Low 6-B, higher with Absorbed Electricity or Combo Moves, High 6-A with Blue Orb | Low 5-B, higher with Ash-Greninja | 4-B, higher with Z-Moves | 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Mega Evolution, Z-Moves, or Dynamax
Key: By Himself | Pokémon Team (Original Series) | Pokémon Team (Advance Generation - Best Wishes) | Pokémon Team (XY) | Pokémon Team (Sun and Moon) | Pokémon Team (Journeys)
At least, based on our ratings.
& no, that doesn't come from cross-scaling, Ash & Cynthia & co. have dealt with Palkia & the like in Journeys, as his justification mentions.
Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Fought and defeated Cynthia in the Masters Tournament Semifinals, whose Garchomp could cancel out Palkia's Spacial Rend. Fought and defeated Leon, who is stronger than Cynthia, in the Masters Tournament Finals), higher with Mega Evolution, Z-Moves, or Dynamax (All three power-ups provide major boosts to his Pokemon's power. His Pikachu's 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt heavily damaged Steven's Mega Metagross despite not fully connecting and matched Leon's Gigantamax Charizard's G-Max Wildfire. His Mega Lucario defeated both Cynthia's Dynamax Togekiss and her weakened Garchomp, the former of whom gave his Pikachu trouble in its base form. His Gigantamax Gengar overpowered and defeated Leon's Inteleon. His Gigantamax Pikachu one-shot Leon's Gigantamax Cinderace)
....Wait, crud.
I was so wrapped up in the game logic, I didn't consider the anime version.
So uh yeah. IDK if they'll scale anime Cynthia or anime Palkia like we do, but she's pretty high up there based on just the anime.
Champion Rank Trainer makes it a bit more complicated.
Sorry for all the words.
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Metal sweep
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Pretty sure they already said IDW is fair game so this is probably just Cast fuckery.
Unfortunately this doesnt save Eggman yet
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Oh yeah, Final Horizon came out in late 2023. Eggman won't have his cool gun.No Metal Virus in the episode? Depending on when exactly last year the research was completed, Sage and Frontiers might not even be included.
Eggbros, we might be getting hoe’d.
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I don't see it.
What, pray tell, in God's name caused you to dream this, and why have you decided to share this.
Actually, scratch that, I shouldn't be surprised that you shared this considering all of the other strange things you've said on this thread. I hope, for your sake, that your future employer does not find your Vs Battles Wiki account. Or any of your social media accounts.
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There's gonna be nonstop black boxes through the whole episode,even during the actual battle,to explain all the ommissions from outdated research.
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This? This is what I missed about Death Battle: unintentionally creating a brand new joke in the community as a result of wonky ass research and logic.
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"By measuring the size and distance from the earth, we've determined that the energy needed to destroy this disk would take 200 quintillions times more energy than what was produced by the big bang"
Bowserbros...
... it's over.
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Question to any BowserBros here: can Bowser counteract this?
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Sun Disk save us!
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... Someone made a Death Battle circlejerk subreddit?!
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Cynthia when the Palworld trainer pulls out the glock and just shoots her.
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She statues the bullet ngl
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Morrigan vs Yennefer, Hawke vs Lone Wanderer, and Leliana vs Liara T'Soni are neat
Anything outside of that is just going to be "Dragon Age vs Critical Role/DND/Fire Emblem/Baldur's Gate/Any Fantasy Game Ever"
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Does Scarecrow have any counters to this?
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Yellow Lantern RingDoes Scarecrow have any counters to this?
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