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Cell technically copied Goku's Instant Transmissions and he has DBZ skill mimicry which with he arguably could learn to use other techniques, but these are usually just nothing in VS fights.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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ZeNoviceArtist
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So with the recent infamy going for Dragon Age, does Dragon Age have any MUs?
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I think one of the worst things leading up to a new Death Battle tends to be the amount of 'I heard' in the arguments.
No citation where, no scan, and if you're disproving no evidence or counter point. A lot of people just toss around what they think they remember, or what someone else has been saying. Mantras get built up, the same things are said over and over again, new evidence is sometimes rejected or scoffed at because it would ruin the current confident consensus. Respect Threads and Blogs and Vs Wiki pages seem glanced at at best and then turned into games of telephone.
Not naming names, but a Bowser Vs. Eggman blog was being made fun of in a thread, but the argument didn't sound right to me, didn't take long to check the blog and the link in it and find out what had become a dogpile wasn't even what the author had said...
It can feel like a majority of the people talking about the fight with confidence don't actually know nearly as much about one or either character as they try to portray themselves as being.
It's also weird to me how quickly Vs Wiki pages and Respect Threads and Blogs are held up as evidence on their own, despite how quickly every site, thread, and even this chat are to complain about the pages on our site alone, let alone any random joe's work
No citation where, no scan, and if you're disproving no evidence or counter point. A lot of people just toss around what they think they remember, or what someone else has been saying. Mantras get built up, the same things are said over and over again, new evidence is sometimes rejected or scoffed at because it would ruin the current confident consensus. Respect Threads and Blogs and Vs Wiki pages seem glanced at at best and then turned into games of telephone.
Not naming names, but a Bowser Vs. Eggman blog was being made fun of in a thread, but the argument didn't sound right to me, didn't take long to check the blog and the link in it and find out what had become a dogpile wasn't even what the author had said...
It can feel like a majority of the people talking about the fight with confidence don't actually know nearly as much about one or either character as they try to portray themselves as being.
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What "infamy?"
People are people, and people are lazy. People also tend to use things that support their beliefs and discard stuff that doesn't, even if they're hypocritical about it.
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Bad reputation.
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Why? What happened?
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im being real
cell vs metal feels like the definition of its only appeals to the DB community than to the broader audience
especially when you compare it to other DB vs Sonic MU
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Veilguard.
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LITERALLY. And honestly not even then, because the rabid fans of each side definitely prefer a more prominent Dragon Ball vs Sonic match-up (Such as Sonic vs Goku or OH NO vs Big Daddy Green)
Granted, those now feel like match-ups that are just years too late/out of date nowadays. Ehhh, idk man, you can argue a renewal of Knux vs Piccolo because of Potential Unleashed/Orange, but Knuckles is just unironically Potential Man in that matchup
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Cell's most thematic MUs are big Ls and Metal sorta anti-vibes.
But all other MUs have such shit connections I dont want them. All Garou has is vibes as well.
Maaaaan
But all other MUs have such shit connections I dont want them. All Garou has is vibes as well.
Maaaaan
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What does that mean?
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at least with those two its easy to get Sonic moveset got a fix thanks to frontiers which gave the mu a new life in popularity and knux had a movie that boost his popularity again also helps that piccolo doesn't have any good alts these days
meanwhile metal got what really?
a super form that got jobbed out due to base shadow chaos fuckery?
only a threat during the first arc of idw
and that all folks
nothing lets keep it vs related
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New DA game had woke script blah blah come back in 2 months to see if it drops like Starfield in popularity.
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Cell getting matched against guys that can copy your powerset with a look whereas his Absorption is very dodgeable
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Tbf he tanks that when turning Master Overlord... then job to Knuckles taking the Master Emerald and a random Egg Fleet ship.
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...Gee, if only I'd posted a Cell MU a few pages back that didn't have these problems beyond obscurity... Oh wait...
Nah but fr, that's basically Karen Travers only issue. Made a whole other post about it, actually:
Can I just say that there's a reason I amended my Karen Travers top 8 with Cell's name recently?
Origin:
Modified by the OSF into becoming an 'SS Brain Eater', and one of (if not the) strongest Psionics in Scarlet Nexus's world. Motivated by the death of Alice Ichijo (Fubuki Spring's Fiancé) as a result of 'Others', and the Extinction Belt dipping below a certain point.
Powers and Arsenal:
Manipulation of the four main elements, Teleportation, master of CQC/Martial arts, psychokinesis (various), Time Travel via the Red Strings, AfO-style ability governing, duplication etc.
Purpose and Goals:
Build Seiran to overthrow New Himuka's autocratic government; create a timeline where Alice Ichijo lives, free of the 'Others'; eliminate the Kunad gate and the extinction belt.
General Character:
Mild-mannered and disconnected from those around him for the most part. Opportunistic enough to 'help' supposed enemies, if it means setting up future events in the timeline (as shown by him handing Yuito medicine that prevented memory erasure issues for a time). Strong believer in 'ends justify the means' (as proven by the several "entanglements" in the timeline created by his work).
Similarities to Cell:
(I know little about Dragon Ball in general, so take this with a grain of salt)
Origin implicates received powers by artificial means in a similar way. 'Revenge on the world' can be inferred by him wanting to bring Alice back, and viewing the Sumeragi's in active contempt (and who can blame him?). Powers and Arsenal might as well be the same. "Shadow in the recording" (DLC) might as well be his highest peak, and Brain Field is basically a Sayian form.
Assuming we're allowed to give Cell Toei scaling, both (currently) also have 2-C peaks. Make of that what you will.
EDIT: 'time travel' similarity is technically there, with the understanding that Cell travelled in a time machine at one point (?)
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We'll get that Metal SWEEP bro...
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Anyways Cell vs Garou is what I'd go for at this point. It just feels the most right to do these days.
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Random Egg Fleet ship>Master Overlord. Random Egg Fleet ONE-SHOTS Bowser.
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Works for me
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Cell vs Chimeramon from Digimon Adventure 02?
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If we use full potential we would just get good ol Millie lol
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Huh?
You mean like Chimeramon Digivolves to Milleniummon or something?
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Complete Violationg Of Old Lore.
Terrible Scripting.
Terrible Story (You know who should help Elf God Supermacist a Human Supremacist Faction)
Terrible Art Style
Combat is alright, but it just seems to be a more polished version of Inqusition which I don't like.
Its clear the developers cared more about making a statement then making a game.
TL;DR It the DA's Suicide Squad Kill The Justic League.
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Its basically his dedicated evolution. Even in 02 anime Milleniummon is created from Chimeramon with a time loop it caused lol
But I guess its technically a Jogress/Fusion evolution, so it wouldnt get that normally. But because Digimon stats are Digimon stats Chimeramon would feast. Maybe even gasp Metal Sonic lol
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anyone know popular matchups for CYnthia? (pokemon version)
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Not off the top of my head, but maybe if we go over her traits, we can find someone.
Cynthia:
Champion, often called the strongest, or 1 of the strongest.
Has a passion for archaeology, travels to study it. By extension, also takes interest in ancient in-universe religion & such.
Has a plot significant, villainous ancestor with a strong resemblance to her.
Doesn't actually fight, but uses summons herself instead.
Arguably exceptionally popular among fans compared to her peers, the other champions.
Anyone who matches up with some or all of those traits thematically?
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A Pal Trainer from PalWorld.
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ive heard tsunade but i dont really like that matchup (I dont see the connections besides both being blond) and i dont like seeing my fav blondies fight.
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Yuna from Final fantasy and Nico robin pop in my mind but they really surface level connections.
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oh shit Pegasus from Yugi oh could be cool
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i did a google search and it looks like others had the same idea
nah why does this lowkey go hard.
nah why does this lowkey go hard.
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Well, they are both in positions of high notoriety/respect, in-universe, as one's a Champion & the other's a Hokage.
....But beyond that, they're pretty dissimilar. Tsunade is a cranky, alcoholic gambling addict. Cynthia is collected.
1 other detail of hers I guess is that she vacations on a beach in an America-like place & can be sort of a "surprise bonus boss"; Someone, usually, encountered late game, but still super powerful, likely above the level curve for where the player could be at.
Thematically, maybe, but are there any distinct individuals?
Otherwise, they're better off against a Pokemon Player Character.
Also, AFAIK, Pal World is kind of dissimilar from Pokemon.
Pal World uses real time, overworld combat where position matters more, unlike Pokemon, an RPG.
Pal World supports crossbows, guns, & other weapons, with the player character getting directly involved.
Pal World features in-game option for human cannibalism, & IIRC, enslavement/capture.
Core gameplay loop is around getting good mons to act as workers to build bases to get better workers/resources, with different mons having different job specializations.
In that regard, Pal World trainer's opponent is probably better off as someone from another base-building/worker gathering series, &/or one with Action RPG Elements.
Or someone from SMT or something, since unlike Pokemon Trainers, both SMT Protagonists & the Pal Trainer/Tamer both join in fights with their monsters.
Shame anything Megaten probably stat stomps a Pal Trainer, but any notable & skilled Pokemon Trainer probably does, too, just to a lesser extent. Cross-scaling & stuff like US/UM Protagonist being able to train mons that can take on Palkia/Dialga & Ultra Necrozma, among others means well-trained Pokemon are crazy strong.
I really do like this, but it'd be weird.i did a google search and it looks like others had the same idea
nah why does this lowkey go hard.
Pegasus probably has a bunch of hax, but he'd die in a single hit from any of Cynthia's mons.
Even if he's in the Shadow Realm or a Game of Darkness or whatever & can summon monsters & use cards in reality there, he might be a glass cannon who can attack Cynthia like she's one, too, thanks to his hax.
Like, Max haxes Cynthia.
Garchomp blows Max up.
Cynthia might end up comatose or whatever but Max would be dead & Cynthia's Pokemon would still be present & alive, so....
Shrugs.
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Bro gets skillstomped by Kid Buu.
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Ok, hear me out: Nico Robin. Archaeologist battle.
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