Death Battle Discussion Thread 05

[Firestorm808]

Kal-El easily beats Hal without Kryptonite. | Action Comics Vol 1 #437 July 1974

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

First of all, don't link an entire comic issue. Second of all, Superman only beat Green Lantern by exploiting his weakness to yellow, not through sheer strength. And Hal doesn't even have that weakness anymore.

 

[Firestorm808]

No, it's not. It's clearly Superman and the Justice League, not the Justice Society.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

First of all, don't link an entire comic issue. Second of all, Superman only beat Green Lantern by exploiting his weakness to yellow, not through sheer strength. And Hal doesn't even have that weakness anymore.

Literally edited my comment.

 

[Firestorm808]

I link the whole comic to not cut out any context. Superman shatters his constructs and blitzes his bombs with ease before the Kryptonite even formed. He only used yellow to get around the kryptonite.

 

[Tipper17]

pre crisis supes is at low multiversal level where he only has two feats that put him on that level

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

It wasn't even real kryptonite, therefore it isn't as strong as kryptonite. And that's only 1 instance compared to the three instances where he's equal. You can't disprove 3 feats with 1 contradiction.

 

[Firestorm808]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3095220 While Silver Age Superman has 1 feats for 2-A and one for 3-A, the staff concluded on 2-C due to the scaling with Golden Age Superman, the Anti-Monitor, Maaldor, Darkseid, and Mordru.

• Silver Age Superman fights a mind-controlled Golden Age Superma . The narration and dialogue describe them as on par with eachother and fighting to a stand-still. | Justice League of America Vol 1 #74 September 1969
• Kal-El and Kal-L get hit by Teppy and are knocked out for about as long. Meaning the attack damaged both about as much. | Justice League of America Vol 1 #91 August 1971
• At least 2-C, possibly 2-A | Restored all possible futures via raw power alone his fight with Jaxon the Mighty. | Superman Vol 1 #295 January 1976
• Kal-El and Kal-L are stated to have equal strength. Merged together, they would have double the strength. | Superman Family Vol 1 #187 February 1978
• Kal-L states Kal-El is stronger. Kal-L takes beams from Luthor that would have defeated Kal-El. | DC Comics Presents Annual Vol 1 #1 1982
• Kal-El traded blows with Dr. Sivana who had had the power of SHAZAM. Sivana defeats Kal-L. Kal-L is described as old with waning power compared to Kal-El. He held his own temporarily before getting overpowered. Sivana states he's incapable of killing Kal-L. | DC Comics Presents Annual Vol 1 #3 1984
• 3-A | Pushed himself toward the center of the big bang and destroyed a structure that was withstanding it. | Action Comics Vol 1 #553 March 1984
• Superman harms the consciousness of Maaldor the Darklord. Maaldor the Darklord was consistently shown as being superior to Superman, so they should not directly scale to each other. | DC Comics Presents Vol 1 #72 August 1984
  • Maaldor the Darklord became a universal intelligence/conscious universeand threatens all universes around it
• 2-A | Supergirl destroys base Anti-Monitor's body | Crisis on Infinite Earths Vol 1 #7 October 1985
• Kal-L knocks out Kal-El with a sucker punch. | Crisis on Infinite Earths Vol 1 #12 March 1986
• Comparable to the original Captain Marvel, who defeated the Invincible Ma | Unknown

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

You know that you're not even close to debunking 2-C Superman and GL, right?

 

[Firestorm808]

I wasn't debunking 2-C Superman.

We are talking about Hal Jordan.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Who has multiple feats of scaling to Superman. You didn't disprove anything with only one display in a comic.

 

[Firestorm808]

At this point, I'll let the staff and others judge it when the Pre-Crisis key is made.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

You'll have to convince Ant on that. But from what've heard, he's against it.

 

[Tipper17]

Regardless let's talk Ed vs aang and what matchup could come after it...

 

[MetalGearRaiden]

i would love to see Archer (Emiya ) vs Byakuya Kuchiki

both are soul/spirit

both are fast and flashy

both start in close combat (kansho+baku and sealed Zanpakuto) then go into range combat (Bow+Caladbolg II vs Senbonzakura) and at the end, both create some "realm" with countless blades (UBW vs Senbonzakura Kageyosh)

although i feel,like Screwwattack would never use Archer as Fate franchise debutant, cause he is less popular and/or iconic, than Saber

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Archer has a fair amount of hax tools for that fight, whereas Byakuya is mostly raw overwhelm tactics.

 

[Jasonsith]

Archer has a fair amount of hax tools for that fight, whereas Byakuya is mostly raw overwhelm tactics.

Which is good considering this will be raw power versus hax Death Battle (which Ben Singer stated in a Community Death Battle of Cloud Strife vs Noctis Lucis Caelum that he loves). Except if Byakuya is iconic for Bleach enough. (I am positive Archer is quite well-known among the other Fate characters in the Nasuverse though.)

And a shameless ad on this.

 

[Jasonsith]

First of all, don't link an entire comic issue. Second of all, Superma only beat Green Lantern by exploiting his weakness to yellow, not through sheer strength. And Hal doesn't even have that weakness anymore.

So Pre-Crisis Superman had a hard time beating Pre-Crisis Green Lantern. And we all know how absurd Pre-Crisis Superman is.


Also, I have updated my finding on the "on-point mass" of the space station and hence a curse on the G1 bloggers for fooling Rooster Teeth on making a wrong episode - Ben has given wrong information to the animators now. We cannot see a cross-counter of Falcon Punch vs Nut Punch now thanks to some false information given to them. (Well it is basically their fault for not taking the city level feat by casual Raiden into account which really matters.)

 

[Speedyroj]

Future DB announced at RTX

Spoilers
Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Also, I have updated my finding on the "on-point mass" of the space station and hence a curse on the G1 bloggers for fooling Rooster Teeth on making a wrong episode - Ben has given wrong information to the animators now. We cannot see a cross-counter of Falcon Punch vs Nut Punch now thanks to some false information given to them. (Well it is basically their fault for not taking the city level feat by casual Raiden into account which really matters.)

I don't see how the episode's wrong. Johnny's Inner Power is only activated in very specific circumstances, which is literally stated in his profile. Falcon can use his Falcon Punch whenever he wants.

 

[SupersonicWarriorZ]

Future DB announced at RTX

Spoilers
Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla

I'll skip.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Future DB announced at RTX

Spoilers
Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla

NANI?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I thought we were getting a Glactus vs Unicorn matchup sometime in the future?

 

[Speedyroj]

Here's the trailer that got shown for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze3Eu2mZPgc&feature=youtu.be

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

• Unicron.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

And what's RTX?

 

[Speedyroj]

A convention that DB has a panel at every year

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Here's the trailer that got shown for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze3Eu2mZPgc&feature=youtu.be

sup see you did that wonder.

 

[Jasonsith]

NANI?

Spoilers
I would say they are too late to capitalise on the idea of Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla. They should have launched this on around the date of 2019 June 12th instead of Weiss Schnee vs Mitsuru Kirijo.

NANI?

Actually a pretty even match

Spoiler
Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla (Heisei) is large planet vs planet Fair by Screwattack standard indeed

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

I thought we were getting a Glactus vs Unicorn matchup sometime in the future?

It was confirmed. But I think it's gonna be a a Season finale. Maybe even this season's finale.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

NANI?

Actually a pretty even match

 

[Phoenix821]

I heard it's supposed to premier September 11.

 

[Jasonsith]

Priority: 2

Verse: Fullmetal Alchemist

Feat: Father shoots out a giant laser beam which causes massive damage to a large building.

It should scale to Edward, Alphonse, and Van Hohenheim (Fatherr should get AP from this, Edward, Alphonse, and should get durability from this, and Hohenheim should get both).

Note: While it's stated Hohenheim shielded the others, he's only really shown shielding Izumi Curtis as Edward runs towards her after the blast, meaning he survived it without his father's help.

Regarding this feat, I want to confirm if vaporisation of rock is 25700 J/cc or 27050 J/cc. With working and supporting please. Thanks.

 

[Jasonsith]

Regarding this feat, I want to confirm if vaporisation of rock is 25700 J/cc or 27050 J/cc. With working and supporting please. Thanks.

I wonder if someone has already done a calculation for a similar feat.

Father casual blast (low end): 1.921e12 J or 459.13 tons TNT

Father casual blast (high end): 2.3e14 J or 54.9713 kilotons TNT

(Question: Are the two feats the same?)

 

[Speedyroj]

Yes, that's the same feat

 

[Jasonsith]

Yes, that's the same feat

Thanks. Now we need to discuss whether this scales to how many characters.

(Ditto) one of the FMA knowledgeable members believes Ed was protected. I should probably contact him.

Is Ed still < Mach 4? Like any FMA lightning timing feats or even light dodging feats?

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

I re-watched one of my favorite battles this year, Wario VS King Dedede. So I made a document with what DB said, but in a VS Battles Wiki style.

Check it out.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It says I need permission before I read that.

 

[HST_Master]

Are they gonna use Korra Aang or 100 Years War Aang I wonder?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Aang would probably be a kid during the battle, but give him all his powers.