DC Cosmology: Revising the Tiers

[Elizio33]

Do you want me to send them here or elsewhere?

Here

 

[Nami_Kami]

Here

Alright.

In Our Worlds At War, universes in DC ( Yes, individual universes ) are further said to be 11-dimensional. This follows a variation of String Theory, which says our own universe is actually 11-D.


Although I don't remember which issue this was from, it's revealed in another comic that the universes are actually even more complex than initually thought, and that they are composed of MORE than 11 dimensions. This'd mean a DC universe is at least 12-D, or 1-B.

In DC Universe Presents #2 it's said that the DC multiverse has countless mathematical dimensions. Countless does not necessarily mean infinite, but it still supports that DC is high into 1-B at least.

Scott Snyder, the author of 'The 6th Dimension' has confirmed on FB and in an interview with The Imaginary Axis that the 5th and 6th dimensions are actually metaphysical and beyond physical dimensions. He adds that the 4th Dimension is simply the name for the entire set of physical dimensions existing, not a literal 4th dimensional space. He says that the 5th dimension is magic and imagination beyond the physical. And that the 6th dimension is even higher. Both of which would qualify for 1-A.

I remember The Sixth Dimension is what was used to downgrade DC, but that is just severely misunderstanding the comic and it's intent.

 

[Nami_Kami]

Fixed the links

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Although I don't remember which issue this was from, it's revealed in another comic that the universes are actually even more complex than initually thought, and that they are composed of MORE than 11 dimensions. This'd mean a DC universe is at least 12-D, or 1-B.

It's from the “Our Worlds At War” storyline. The scan in question is from Action Comics #781.

Scott Snyder, the author of 'The 6th Dimension' has confirmed on FB and in an interview with The Imaginary Axis that the 5th and 6th dimensions are actually metaphysical and beyond physical dimensions. He adds that the 4th Dimension is simply the name for the entire set of physical dimensions existing, not a literal 4th dimensional space. He says that the 5th dimension is magic and imagination beyond the physical. And that the 6th dimension is even higher. Both of which would qualify for 1-A.

I mean that's the gist but there's no direct comic citation on the matter. Given what's been accepted, it being above 11D is fine. Given that 6D does exist beyond space and time does mean some stuff, but that's for the mods to discuss.

I remember The Sixth Dimension is what was used to downgrade DC, but that is just severely misunderstanding the comic and it's intent.

No, not really. The split renders all statements of infinite dimensions or omniversal pan-dimensional things statements useless unless they actually mean spatial dimensions and not just alternate realities or realms. So, the Metal event only talks about everything existing in 4D was what warranted a Low 2-C rating for the Orrery in the previous Cosmology blog.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

In DC Universe Presents #2 it's said that the DC multiverse has countless mathematical dimensions. Countless does not necessarily mean infinite, but it still supports that DC is high into 1-B at least.

This particular statement is invalid. Please refer to this for why.

 

[Elizio33]

Alright.

In Our Worlds At War, universes in DC ( Yes, individual universes ) are further said to be 11-dimensional. This follows a variation of String Theory, which says our own universe is actually 11-D.


Although I don't remember which issue this was from, it's revealed in another comic that the universes are actually even more complex than initually thought, and that they are composed of MORE than 11 dimensions. This'd mean a DC universe is at least 12-D, or 1-B.

In DC Universe Presents #2 it's said that the DC multiverse has countless mathematical dimensions. Countless does not necessarily mean infinite, but it still supports that DC is high into 1-B at least.

Scott Snyder, the author of 'The 6th Dimension' has confirmed on FB and in an interview with The Imaginary Axis that the 5th and 6th dimensions are actually metaphysical and beyond physical dimensions. He adds that the 4th Dimension is simply the name for the entire set of physical dimensions existing, not a literal 4th dimensional space. He says that the 5th dimension is magic and imagination beyond the physical. And that the 6th dimension is even higher. Both of which would qualify for 1-A.

I remember The Sixth Dimension is what was used to downgrade DC, but that is just severely misunderstanding the comic and it's intent.

I don't think the Sixth Dimension would qualify for 1-A. From what we know, the Sixth Dimension is the control room of the Multiverse, a realm of the impossible beyond the imagination of most living beings, where the Multiverse was designed and set to motion.

The Sixth Dimension is beyond the comprehension of lower beings in the normal universe and to experience it would drive any of them mad. The happenings of the Sixth Dimension are beyond the perception of Mr. Mxyzptlk who himself exists outside of time, and was only able to create a portal there because the Source Wall was destroyed and it took a lot of his energy. Batman described the Sixth Dimension as a realm outside of time and because of this he said that Superman could have been gone for mouths, years, decades after he entered the portal to the Sixth Dimension.

The Sixth Dimension is the highest plane of existence and the final realm, from there Superman has seen a multitude of events such as Batman locking him in darkness, an alternate version of Lois cradling their dead son, dead a thousand times now, and himself causing the end of everything.

In short, the Sixth Dimension is a timeless realm beyond the imagination and comprehension of almost all living beings and to experience it would drive any of them insane without any higher intervention, and exists as the penthouse of the Multiverse. Don't see anything for 1-A.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

The thing we're not considering is very clear, the Sixth Dimension isn't spatial and it lacks time. Clearly, even without a direct statement that means it is beyond at least the 4D concept of space-time. Given the specificity that the realm isn't geometrical, spatial, or temporal kind of gives the notion that it is literally meant to be beyond time and space as concepts.

 

[Elizio33]

The thing we're not considering is very clear, the Sixth Dimension isn't spatial and it lacks time. Clearly, even without a direct statement that means it is beyond at least the 4D concept of space-time. Given the specificity that the realm isn't geometrical, spatial, or temporal kind of gives the notion that it is literally meant to be beyond time and space as concepts.

Mr. Mxyzptlk made it clear that the Fifth Dimension is beyond 4-D and the Sixth Dimension is even higher, but yeah, it doesn't qualify for 1-A. 1-B should be fine given the cosmological scaling suggested in this thread.

 

[Weaver261]

Will this count too?
Wally shifting through layer of existences (Cosmological dimensions either 10 or 11 or 26)
These dimensions are folded like string dimensions and gallery exists beyond that
According Arc Angels (nth dimensional omnivalent beings), there're like endless emanations.

 

[Asterotheology]

While I have a bit of time. To give a bit of support to the 11-Dimensional stuff. There's a brief mention of it in hellblazer 2016. Mercury, who's of the Red, tells Swamp Thing that there's infinite planes and possibilities. Whole worlds and dimensions that are separated from their reality by invisible membranes criss crossing and cutting through 11 dimensions of space and time.

I'm paraphrasing a bit because I don't remember what she said word for word exactly. The scan should be in issue 3 or 4 of that Hellblazer run and it's part of DC Rebirth.