Separating cosmologies is irrelevant

[Ramasugita11]

Dc canon

Event multiversity created by Grant Morrison, it tells the story of a fictional comic in their own EARTH, but the comic is a reality in another EARTHs.
•Vertigo
Canon vertigo comics in the DCU

°The reason all these stories are canon is because of the omniverse, the omniverse not only contains the multiverse, the dark multiverse but also the sphere of the gods.
That Means there are infinite multiverses, infinite dark multiverses and infinite spheres of the gods on different earths [INFINITE MULTIVERSES.]

°Hypertime is a connecting space between parallel worlds, different earths and infinite multiverses.
All variants can be seen on the web of the multiverse, dcu lego, cartoons, animations, comics, all canons in the omniverse [Here] Other variants [Here].

Map of the multiverse is irrelevant, why? Because it is only a rough depiction of the multiverse map. The map only separates the physical and metaphysical but everything is in the bleed In fact, the speed force is everywhere in the physical world[Here].
The bleed is where all the stories are placed. What is not in the bleed is the monitor sphere, the monitor sphere only monitors every earths on the edge of the multiverse structure.
•Bleed is not physical space, bleed is the substance of life [Here].
•Bleed when refined, becomes Element X. Element X is the purest form of creation
•Bleed is the void

°form all the true multiverses.
The top is positive multiverses, the middle is anti-matter universe and the bottom is dark multiverse.

•The 5th dimension is explained as blood which is everywhere [ not spatial ].[Here]

•The 4th dimension is explained as metaphysical[Here]

•The 3rd dimension is explained as the material dimension [Here]

Calculation: 6th dimension > 5th dimension >
[4th dimension]:
monitor sphere > limbo > bleed > sphere of the gods >
[3rd dimension]:
Orrery of worlds > higher dimensional space > 3rd dimensional space.

What do you think?

 

[Elizio33]

While Dan Didio and Jim Lee's "canon over continuity" ideology gave DC writers more freedom to write their stories without any strict continuity, it was quite a mess in terms of constructing a coherent cosmology, hence why I find that "continuity over canon" would be more appropriate for this situation. Yes, there were ways to reconcile the canons, but those means themselves have been used inconsistently by writers over the years, Hypertime being a good example. Some of Morrison's ideas for Hypertime are now obsolete and most of them weren't even mentioned in the comics (or they were very vague mentions), although some still work well, but most have been abandoned. A composite cosmology might not work very well as there are notable contradictions and using the headcanon to try to reconcile them is not the best option in my opinion, it would mean eliminating the works of certain authors like most old stories of Neil Gaiman, Mike Carey, DeMatteis and some others, since most of their information is outdated compared to current canon.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/general-dc-comics-discussion-thread.139601/page-76#post-6269268
And I also don't believe in the idea that every universe of the Orrery is a multiverse/continuity just because Neil Gaiman's Sandman was mentioned in Grant Morrison's Multiversity. If anything, it was nothing more than a nod to Neil Gaiman. I think it was pretty clear that the Orrery was supposed to limit the multiverse to just fifty-two universes, with infinite universes existing somewhere outside of the Orrery. Even Jeff King's Convergence seems to have been retconned over the years, most notably with Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, as the Pre-Crisis Multiverse was returned due to the heroes being sent back in time to defeat the Anti-Monitor during Convergence while in Dark Crisis, the Pre-Crisis Multiverse was still in ruins and separated from the Orrery. At this point we should let the cosmologies separated, although as a "Crisis Cosmology" is in work with the most notable works of authors throughout the 21st century, we should create another with the cosmology of J.M. DeMatteis and those of other authors that should be more consistent with that of DeMatteis' works, such as Allen Moore for example.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/general-dc-comics-discussion-thread.139601/page-76#post-6269268
Edit: Of course, this is my personal opinion on the subject, but I feel like smaller composite cosmologies for DC, like Crisis Cosmology, would be a better idea than trying to create a "Frankenstein DC Cosmology" with every material and story and using headcanons or sources vaguely or not mentioned in the comics to try to reconcile the holes.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Since the discussion thread wasn't noticed, what do you think about this?

Only staff can ping people.

 

[Williams249]

Pretty much in agreement with Elizio. The issue isn't about all DC stories being canon, it's more about how it chimes with continuity. There are so many irreconcilable differences between the various canons, and frankly, statements claiming they're all canon to each other won't solve them.

•The 4th dimension is explained as metaphysical[Here]

Actual comic statements trumps the writer, and it was specifically mentioned the 4th dimension is Time, a temporal dimension having nothing to do with the supernatural.

Calculation: 6th dimension > 5th dimension >
[4th dimension]:
monitor sphere > limbo > bleed > sphere of the gods >

Why's the Bleed>SoG?

 

[Ramasugita11]

While Dan Didio and Jim Lee's "canon over continuity" ideology gave DC writers more freedom to write their stories without any strict continuity, it was quite a mess in terms of constructing a coherent cosmology, hence why I find that "continuity over canon" would be more appropriate for this situation. Yes, there were ways to reconcile the canons, but those means themselves have been used inconsistently by writers over the years, Hypertime being a good example. Some of Morrison's ideas for Hypertime are now obsolete and most of them weren't even mentioned in the comics (or they were very vague mentions), although some still work well, but most have been abandoned. A composite cosmology might not work very well as there are notable contradictions and using the headcanon to try to reconcile them is not the best option in my opinion, it would mean eliminating the works of certain authors like most old stories of Neil Gaiman, Mike Carey, DeMatteis and some others, since most of their information is outdated compared to current canon.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/general-dc-comics-discussion-thread.139601/page-76#post-6269268
And I also don't believe in the idea that every universe of the Orrery is a multiverse/continuity just because Neil Gaiman's Sandman was mentioned in Grant Morrison's Multiversity. If anything, it was nothing more than a nod to Neil Gaiman. I think it was pretty clear that the Orrery was supposed to limit the multiverse to just fifty-two universes, with infinite universes existing somewhere outside of the Orrery. Even Jeff King's Convergence seems to have been retconned over the years, most notably with Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, as the Pre-Crisis Multiverse was returned due to the heroes being sent back in time to defeat the Anti-Monitor during Convergence while in Dark Crisis, the Pre-Crisis Multiverse was still in ruins and separated from the Orrery. At this point we should let the cosmologies separated, although as a "Crisis Cosmology" is in work with the most notable works of authors throughout the 21st century, we should create another with the cosmology of J.M. DeMatteis and those of other authors that should be more consistent with that of DeMatteis' works, such as Allen Moore for example.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/general-dc-comics-discussion-thread.139601/page-76#post-6269268
Edit: Of course, this is my personal opinion on the subject, but I feel like smaller composite cosmologies for DC, like Crisis Cosmology, would be a better idea than trying to create a "Frankenstein DC Cosmology" with every material and story and using headcanons or sources vaguely or not mentioned in the comics to try to reconcile the holes.

It actually doesn't make sense, some old and new comics have multiversity events. All canon. It's just not clear where to place the comic in the crisis era or before the crisis. The most important thing is that it's canon, it's in didcu. But not the main dcu. Not involved in the crisis story.
Because DC stories are complex, reality on another earth but a comic book in the world of the comic reader.

Pretty much in agreement with Elizio. The issue isn't about all DC stories being canon, it's more about how it chimes with continuity. There are so many irreconcilable differences between the various canons, and frankly, statements claiming they're all canon to each other won't solve them.


Actual comic statements trumps the writer, and it was specifically mentioned the 4th dimension is Time, a temporal dimension having nothing to do with the supernatural.

Why's the Bleed>SoG?

That's not how the 4th dimension works, bleed can only be seen using 4D vision. Bleed is meta. Not spatial. It's the void beyond the physical realm. 4th dimension has 2 versions just like 5th dimension has 2 versions. Justice League 2018, Mr Mxy said about existence, not spatial dimensions. Supported by his statement in the interview, 4D is metaphysical and Mr Mxy also said that the multiverse is 4D.
So where are the 4 physical dimensions? Certainly in the material dimension, because at the Multiversity event, Morrison discussed lower dimensions and higher dimensions, 2D and 8D.
You definitely know that materials are not only in the 3D world, but also materials in higher dimensions. Moreover, the 2011 action comic and Chaetrix are added which have a higher dimension structure. This indicates that the higher dimension is in the 3rd dimension spatially, be it the 5th, 6th or 8th dimension or a higher dimension

 

[Ramasugita11]

Why's the Bleed>SoG?

That's the substance of life, that's the emptiness, the bleed contains a story in it. Sphere of the gods is also part of the story, while limbo has no story, The sphere of the gods is equated with the multiverse and dark multiverse, it has an infinite number within the omniverse.

Now I ask, what is the advantage of the sphere of the gods over the bleed?

 

[Elizio33]

It actually doesn't make sense, some old and new comics have multiversity events. All canon. It's just not clear where to place the comic in the crisis era or before the crisis. The most important thing is that it's canon, it's in didcu. But not the main dcu. Not involved in the crisis story.
Because DC stories are complex, reality on another earth but a comic book in the world of the comic reader.


That's not how the 4th dimension works, bleed can only be seen using 4D vision. Bleed is meta. Not spatial. It's the void beyond the physical realm. 4th dimension has 2 versions just like 5th dimension has 2 versions. Justice League 2018, Mr Mxy said about existence, not spatial dimensions. Supported by his statement in the interview, 4D is metaphysical and Mr Mxy also said that the multiverse is 4D.
So where are the 4 physical dimensions? Certainly in the material dimension, because at the Multiversity event, Morrison discussed lower dimensions and higher dimensions, 2D and 8D.
You definitely know that materials are not only in the 3D world, but also materials in higher dimensions. Moreover, the 2011 action comic and Chaetrix are added which have a higher dimension structure. This indicates that the higher dimension is in the 3rd dimension spatially, be it the 5th, 6th or 8th dimension or a higher dimension

This is one of the reasons why I find it better to create smaller cosmologies for DC rather than creating a full composite DC Cosmology using all materials and stories just because of the idea that "everything is canon".

 

[Deagonx]

I am not clear what change this thread is arguing for

 

[Elizio33]

I am not clear what change this thread is arguing for

If I'm not mistaken, the point of the thread is to prove that dividing DC cosmologies is irrelevant because it's all canon and some ideas from Grant Morrison.

 

[Deagonx]

If I'm not mistaken, the thread's goal is to prove that dividing the cosmologies of DC is irrelevant because that everything is canon and some ideas from Grant Morrison and dimensions.

If so we should probably close this. We certainly aren't going to reverse the cosmology split over such a half-baked CRT.

 

[Williams249]

That's not how the 4th dimension works, bleed can only be seen using 4D vision. Bleed is meta. Not spatial. It's the void beyond the physical realm. 4th dimension has 2 versions just like 5th dimension has 2 versions. Justice League 2018, Mr Mxy said about existence, not spatial dimensions. Supported by his statement in the interview, 4D is metaphysical and Mr Mxy also said that the multiverse is 4D.
So where are the 4 physical dimensions? Certainly in the material dimension, because at the Multiversity event, Morrison discussed lower dimensions and higher dimensions, 2D and 8D.
You definitely know that materials are not only in the 3D world, but also materials in higher dimensions. Moreover, the 2011 action comic and Chaetrix are added which have a higher dimension structure. This indicates that the higher dimension is in the 3rd dimension spatially, be it the 5th, 6th or 8th dimension or a higher dimension

Man, your justification for the 4th Dimension not being geometric employs canons which do not mesh with the canon stating it to be geometric to begin with. Counterintuitive, if you will. Also, you didn't address the 4th Dimension stated to be TIME, in a similar fashion, the second and first dimensions were referenced geometrically as points and lines respectively (however, a bit inaccurate). Lemme quickly address something. The third dimension being referred to as 'material', isn't exactly in a geometric sense, as it isn't a direction of space. However, 'material' here is simply used as a metaphor referring to geometric 3D. IRL, 0Ds, 1Ds, 2Ds aren't tangible i.e aren't material, and hence cannot be interacted with physically. Hence, every object in reality have a level of thickness, no matter how minute and is 3D. So, point is 3D as material is an analogue of a geometric 3D and thus, fits the bill, all 4 dimensions mentioned by Mxy are geometric.

 

[Elizio33]

@Ramasugita11 as you said, DC's stories are vast and trying to reconcile them all into a single cosmology isn't the best solution because there would be too many holes that couldn't necessarily be reconciled, causing more confusion than anything else. I think that after the holidays we should focus on a new cosmology that would have the same basic principle as Crisis Cosmology but with material from J.M. DeMatteis and that of other authors that should be more consistent with DeMatteis's, like Alan Moore for example. Alan Moore is the only one I have in mind at the moment but there should be others too.

 

[Ramasugita11]

This is one of the reasons why I find it better to create smaller cosmologies for DC rather than creating a full composite DC Cosmology using all materials and stories just because of the idea that "everything is canon".

Actually it's quite easy, the sphere of the gods is the realm of the gods, whatever the gods, whoever the author is, if it's not related to the monitor or dimensions above it, it's just a scale to the sphere of gods. Because the world is an archetypal realm, anything that discusses dreams/thoughts/heaven/hell. That only applies in the sphere of the gods. The dc map is only a rough depiction, essentially they separate Physical and metaphysical realms. We know that Zauriel has many versions, Spectre has many versions too, this version is available in other multiverses, because the original multiverse is infinite but only 52 were known at that time.

I am not clear what change this thread is arguing for

Just want to say based on the feats above, sandman is part of the DCU and explains the hierarchy of existence, if 4D is not only spatial but metaphysical also the 3rd dimension is not only 3D spatial but higher dimensions layer

 

[Williams249]

That's the substance of life, that's the emptiness, the bleed contains a story in it. Sphere of the gods is also part of the story, while limbo has no story, The sphere of the gods is equated with the multiverse and dark multiverse, it has an infinite number within the omniverse.

Now I ask, what is the advantage of the sphere of the gods over the bleed?

Frankly, this doesn't answer the question. Bleed being the substance of Life in no way grants it qualitative superiority over the SoG, and for a fact, it hasn't even being shown to be a sort of inter-dimensional pathway between the realms of the SoG, as it is in the Orrery. Also, DC literally has the Life Entity, which is the amalgamation of the seven emotional energies and even, the Sixth Dimension has being laced with it. So, Bleed being the substance of life really doesn't help your case. Lastly, the Bleed containing stories is limited to the Orrery.

 

[Ramasugita11]

Man, your justification for the 4th Dimension not being geometric employs canons which do not mesh with the canon stating it to be geometric to begin with. Counterintuitive, if you will. Also, you didn't address the 4th Dimension stated to be TIME, in a similar fashion, the second and first dimensions were referenced geometrically as points and lines respectively (however, a bit inaccurate). Lemme quickly address something. The third dimension being referred to as 'material', isn't exactly in a geometric sense, as it isn't a direction of space. However, 'material' here is simply used as a metaphor referring to geometric 3D. IRL, 0Ds, 1Ds, 2Ds aren't tangible i.e aren't material, and hence cannot be interacted with physically. Hence, every object in reality have a level of thickness, no matter how minute and is 3D. So, point is 3D as material is an analogue of a geometric 3D and thus, fits the bill, all 4 dimensions mentioned by Mxy are geometric.

Hypertime It is part of time [4 dimensions], hypertime is abstract and even metaphysical creatures exist there. Hypertime has physical manifestations, namely space between spaces and time between times.

That's right, material doesn't exist under the 3rd dimension, that's the reason why Scoot doesn't mention material as the 2nd and 1st dimensions. Mr mxy told them to look, 1 dimension is a point? And the 2nd dimension is a line? He simply explains existence. This is Scott's way of putting together comics about higher dimensions. Where the existence of the 3rd dimension has a higher spatial dimension

 

[Ramasugita11]

@Ramasugita11 as you said, DC's stories are vast and trying to reconcile them all into a single cosmology isn't the best solution because there would be too many holes that couldn't necessarily be reconciled, causing more confusion than anything else. I think that after the holidays we should focus on a new cosmology that would have the same basic principle as Crisis Cosmology but with material from J.M. DeMatteis and that of other authors that should be more consistent with DeMatteis's, like Alan Moore for example. Alan Moore is the only one I have in mind at the moment but there should be others too.

There's nothing confusing, just put the concept of God in the sphere of the gods. After all, spectre are servants of the gods in the story and spectres live in the sphere of the gods.

Frankly, this doesn't answer the question. Bleed being the substance of Life in no way grants it qualitative superiority over the SoG, and for a fact, it hasn't even being shown to be a sort of inter-dimensional pathway between the realms of the SoG, as it is in the Orrery. Also, DC literally has the Life Entity, which is the amalgamation of the seven emotional energies and even, the Sixth Dimension has being laced with it. So, Bleed being the substance of life really doesn't help your case. Lastly, the Bleed containing stories is limited to the Orrery.

What are the advantages of the sphere of the gods?
Keep in mind, that Sandman Lucifer has 2 very different versions. The 2000s version has no famine because humans no longer worship gods. In lucifer 2018, they starved, Became cannibals.

If you remember again about the concept of omniverse and the concept of multiversity. Their multiverse is in a different world, but only a fictional book in the reader's world.

 

[Ramasugita11]

If so we should probably close this. We certainly aren't going to reverse the cosmology split over such a half-baked CRT.

The split in cosmology occurred due to a lack of understanding of the story, anything that had a void statement was made overvoid, moreover Yahweh was made the god of DC, Even though it is clear, he is one of the gods in the sphere of the gods. The concept of divinity only exists in the sphere of the gods. How can you disagree with that? According to their dimension names [Sphere of the gods]

 

[Williams249]

Hypertime It is part of time [4 dimensions], hypertime is abstract and even metaphysical creatures exist there. Hypertime has physical manifestations, namely space between spaces and time between times.

Hyper Time containing higher dimensions of time, doesn't really help your case, as it's at the very peak of the Divine Continuum, which encompasses any and all conceivable geometric dimensions. I'll need a scan stating explicitly Hyper Time has physical manifestations, as New Gods who are literal living thoughts have been depicted to be physical throughout the comics. Also, time in itself is abstract, so it's kinda mute, anyway?

That's right, material doesn't exist under the 3rd dimension, that's the reason why Scoot doesn't mention material as the 2nd and 1st dimensions. Mr mxy told them to look, 1 dimension is a point? And the 2nd dimension is a line? He simply explains existence. This is Scott's way of putting together comics about higher dimensions. Where the existence of the 3rd dimension has a higher spatial dimension

Nope, not existence. You'll have to prove it correlates with ontology, rather than geometry. Also, 3D is a higher spatial D to 2D geometrically (as used within context).

 

[Williams249]

What are the advantages of the sphere of the gods?
Keep in mind, that Sandman Lucifer has 2 very different versions. The 2000s version has no famine because humans no longer worship gods. In lucifer 2018, they starved, Became cannibals.

If you remember again about the concept of omniverse and the concept of multiversity. Their multiverse is in a different world, but only a fictional book in the reader's world.

Man, the first paragraph is COMMON comic inconsistencies. The last part, Morrison intended comic books to be a sort of medium of interaction between universes. So, a universe, say e-0 is only fictional in e-2. It's a revamp of the concept introduced by Gardener Fox in his Flash of Two Worlds, where Jay Garrick of e-2 was only a fictional character in e-1 Barry Allen's comic books. Anyway, how'd this relate to Bleed again?

 

[Ramasugita11]

Hyper Time containing higher dimensions of time, doesn't really help your case, as it's at the very peak of the Divine Continuum, which encompasses any and all conceivable geometric dimensions. I'll need a scan stating explicitly Hyper Time has physical manifestations, as New Gods who are literal living thoughts have been depicted to be physical throughout the comics. Also, time in itself is abstract, so it's kinda mute, anyway?


Nope, not existence. You'll have to prove it correlates with ontology, rather than geometry. Also, 3D is a higher spatial D to 2D geometrically (as used within context).

Firstly, hypertime and omniverse are equivalent, where is the multiverse located? In BLEED.
Not saying bleed = omniverse, but bleed is part of the omniverse
Look at the original shape of the multiverses, just a big ball containing positive, antimatter and dark multiverses.

Hypertime

The 3rd dimension is explained as material, I didn't mention geometry and Mr Mxy didn't mention geometry, if you mention geometry then the 2nd dimension is not a line.

 

[Ramasugita11]

Hyper Time containing higher dimensions of time, doesn't really help your case, as it's at the very peak of the Divine Continuum, which encompasses any and all conceivable geometric dimensions. I'll need a scan stating explicitly Hyper Time has physical manifestations, as New Gods who are literal living thoughts have been depicted to be physical throughout the comics. Also, time in itself is abstract, so it's kinda mute, anyway?


Nope, not existence. You'll have to prove it correlates with ontology, rather than geometry. Also, 3D is a higher spatial D to 2D geometrically (as used within context).

I told you, this isn't about geometry. It's about existence. 1st dimension is not a point, 2nd dimension is not a line. The 3rd dimension is said to be material. It's a bit strange material not just in 3rd dimension, in terms of geometrical axes, time is indeed 4dimensional but the 5th dimension is stated as imagination and exists everywhere, meaning it explains existence.

 

[Williams249]

Firstly, hypertime and omniverse are equivalent, where is the multiverse located? In BLEED. Look at the original shape of the multiverses, just a big ball containing positive, antimatter and dark multiverses.

Hypertime

The 'multiverse' is subject to interpretation, depending on context. So far, all that's being shown is the Bleed is the inter-dimensional bulk encapsulating the Orrery. You're asserting the Bleed is equivalent to the Multiverse, as in, half of the Divine Continuum, but you've shown no scans whatsoever to substantiate. Okay, Hyper Time indeed have physical manifestations, but not in anyway relevant to this discussion.

The 3rd dimension is explained as material, I didn't mention geometry and Mr Mxy didn't mention geometry, if you mention geometry then the 2nd dimension is not a line.

I've already addressed why the dimensions mentioned are geometric, even though it somewhat deviates from the norm.

I told you, this isn't about geometry. It's about existence. 1st dimension is not a point, 2nd dimension is not a line. The 3rd dimension is said to be material. It's a bit strange material not just in 3rd dimension, in terms of geometrical axes, time is indeed 4dimensional but the 5th dimension is stated as imagination and exists everywhere, meaning it explains existence

Already addressed and ad nauseam isn't helping here, sorry. Also, the 5th and 6th Dimension were excluded as they were obviously not geometric, having idealistic properties.

 

[Ramasugita11]

The 'multiverse' is subject to interpretation, depending on context. So far, all that's being shown is the Bleed is the inter-dimensional bulk encapsulating the Orrery. You're asserting the Bleed is equivalent to the Multiverse, as in, half of the Divine Continuum, but you've shown no scans whatsoever to substantiate. Okay, Hyper Time indeed have physical manifestations, but not in anyway relevant to this discussion.

But bleed is meta-space [Here] and also bleed has no space or time, because the bleed is the void [Here], The orrery has space and time not bleed, bleed is the substance of life and bleed can be seen with 4-D vision.

already addressed why the dimensions mentioned are geometric, even though it somewhat deviates from the norm.

Already addressed and ad nauseam isn't helping here, sorry. Also, the 5th and 6th Dimension were excluded as they were obviously not geometric, having idealistic properties.

It's simple like this, if the orrery is space and time, it means 4 dimensions, right? What does it mean that Darkseid is 4 dimensional? Because it goes beyond the material which is said to be 3-dimensional? [Here]
No, right? Because the physical 5th dimension is in the orrery, as a mathematical higher dimension.

So there is no problem considering higher dimensions as material, because the multiverse is 4-dimensional, meaning Scoot is right, not spatially but metaphysically. Because spatially it is in 3 dimensions[ aka materials].

 

[PrinceStories]

°The reason all these stories are canon is because of the omniverse, the omniverse not only contains the multiverse, the dark multiverse but also the sphere of the gods.
That Means there are infinite multiverses, infinite dark multiverses and infinite spheres of the gods on different earths [INFINITE MULTIVERSES.]

That's true that basically all stories DC comics are Canon, but that's not a great way to reconcile every contradiction in power scaling. As Elizio said, combining whole continuity in scaling is an irreconcilable thing, therefore separating the cosmology with each author is the best option for now but actually there is another way to reconcile each contradiction, namely by separating the continuity between pre-rebirth (comics 1938-2015) and rebirth (comics 2016-present).

 

[ElajRuengies]

You already made two threads like this.

 

[Ramasugita11]

The 'multiverse' is subject to interpretation, depending on context. So far, all that's being shown is the Bleed is the inter-dimensional bulk encapsulating the Orrery. You're asserting the Bleed is equivalent to the Multiverse, as in, half of the Divine Continuum, but you've shown no scans whatsoever to substantiate. Okay, Hyper Time indeed have physical manifestations, but not in anyway relevant to this discussion.


I've already addressed why the dimensions mentioned are geometric, even though it somewhat deviates from the norm.

Already addressed and ad nauseam isn't helping here, sorry. Also, the 5th and 6th Dimension were excluded as they were obviously not geometric, having idealistic properties.

I'll be using 2023 comics.
The material dimension in DC comics, higher dimension
N-Dimensional, Hyperbolic dimensional, Non-Euclidean geometry. This about higher dimensional space [Flash 2023]

10th dimensional space [Here] and 4th dimensional being [Here]

So it doesn't matter if the material has a higher dimensional structure, because the 5th dimension is imagination[Here] outside concept of time and space [Here], not physical space and the 4th dimension is also said to be metaphysical.

That's true that basically all stories DC comics are Canon, but that's not a great way to reconcile every contradiction in power scaling. As Elizio said, combining whole continuity in scaling is an irreconcilable thing, therefore separating the cosmology with each author is the best option for now but actually there is another way to reconcile each contradiction, namely by separating the continuity between pre-rebirth (comics 1938-2015) and rebirth (comics 2016-present).

Actually there is no change, just a matter of placement. What cannot be changed is that the 5th and 4th dimensions have physical and meta-physical versions.

You already made two threads like this.

I can't delete it, even though I unwatched it. I made it unwatch, why can it be seen?

 

[ElajRuengies]

I'll be using 2023 comics.
The material dimension in DC comics, higher dimension
N-Dimensional, Hyperbolic dimensional, Non-Euclidean geometry. This about higher dimensional space [Flash 2023]

10th dimensional space [Here] and 4th dimensional being [Here]

So it doesn't matter if the material has a higher dimensional structure, because the 5th dimension is imagination[Here] outside concept of time and space [Here], not physical space and the 4th dimension is also said to be metaphysical.

Actually there is no change, just a matter of placement. What cannot be changed is that the 5th and 4th dimensions have physical and meta-physical versions.

I can't delete it, even though I unwatched it. I made it unwatch, why can it be seen?

Unwatching doesn't delete the thread, it just means you don't get notifications when someone comments on the thread.

 

[Elizio33]

That's true that basically all stories DC comics are Canon, but that's not a great way to reconcile every contradiction in power scaling. As Elizio said, combining whole continuity in scaling is an irreconcilable thing, therefore separating the cosmology with each author is the best option for now but actually there is another way to reconcile each contradiction, namely by separating the continuity between pre-rebirth (comics 1938-2015) and rebirth (comics 2016-present).

That's an option, but even then there might be some very notable contradictions that can't be reconciled, I think the gap between the years the DC publishing stories is too long (I'm talking about the 1938-2015). For Crisis Cosmology, these were combined comics from 2008 to 2022 - from Final Crisis to Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, with many works by the most notable authors of those years whose contradictions between their stories were not sufficiently relevant to separate them. We should do the same with DeMatteis and Alan Moore, who would be willing to help me after the holidays are over?

 

[Antvasima]

If so we should probably close this. We certainly aren't going to reverse the cosmology split over such a half-baked CRT.

I agree with this, and we should probably get some kind of rule against this type of content revision thread as well. They are getting extremely repetitive to deal with.

 

[PrinceStories]

That's an option, but even then there might be some very notable contradictions that can't be reconciled, I think the gap between the years the DC publishing stories is too long (I'm talking about the 1938-2015). For Crisis Cosmology, these were combined comics from 2008 to 2022 - from Final Crisis to Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths

That can be discussed further if you are willing.

We should do the same with DeMatteis and Alan Moore, who would be willing to help me after the holidays are over?

I can help you with some of the works of DeMatteis, Moore and also some other authors continuity with each other.

 

[Elizio33]

That can be discussed further if you are willing.



I can help you with some of the works of DeMatteis, Moore and also some other authors continuity with each other.

Sure of course

 

[Antvasima]

I can help you with some of the works of DeMatteis, Moore and also some other authors continuity with each other.

Sure of course

Should that be discussed here or via private messages?