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goku was 8k, but thats saiyan saga, and power level can be used to say who is stronger than other, master roshi kamehameha is rated as 180 power level, Tao is over 200 power level
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Cyborg Tao should be 5-C or possibly 5-C
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This seems to be Tao hyping him up for no reason. This is just a villain talk. Neither is Tao a reliable source, nor does he possess enough knowledge about how strong Tien has grown in the short amount of time. And iirc, he wasn't even present at the 22nd tourney, so he probably doesn't even know the "real" power of Tien and Goku in that fight.
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It's supported by Cyborg Tao's power level being significantly above Buff Roshi's Kamehameha though.
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The guides show Tao power level being above Master Roshi kamehameha feat, which should qualify to something like ''likely 5-C''
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IIRC, we don't use power levels from Weekly Shonen Jump due to contradicting the Daizenshuu. IIRC Roshi's power level is different in both.
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None of Master Roshi kamehameha power levels put him above 180
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But Master Shen was and probably told him of their power level
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Wasn't Master Shen kicked away during the tournament by Roshi after he told his students to cheat?
Also Master Shen can't sense energy, and neither can Tao
Also Master Shen can't sense energy, and neither can Tao
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Oh you are right. My bad
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The PL in question comes from the 1996 Daizenshuu 7 I linked it myself
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Base Tao is already High 8-C by one shotting Goku and General Blue
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I meant “likely at least high 8-C”
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No need for the likely. The "at least" will remain since he's already upscales from Base and got no better feats to justify a higher tier than that
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They do. Just like any Ki Attack that has been charge up. Example: Goku's Kamehameha vs Raditz or Piccolo's Special Beam Canon vs Raditz. Both PL increased.
We just don't have an official PL's for Buff Roshi or Buff Roshi's Kamehameha. We have no estimate of how high it is. Using DB logic, it does go above the 180.
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I disagree with Tao having any 5-C rating. He should be At Least High 8-C, higher with Super Dodon Wave
Change his Attack Potency description. That's it.
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Apparently the power level of 180 is explicitly referring to Buff Roshi's Kamehameha whereas the one of 139 is referring to his casual Jackie Chun power level.
Also, even 22nd Budokai Goku is rated at a power level of 180 and he has a "possibly 5-C" rating, Cyborg Tao has a power level of 210.
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Yep this is all there is to it.
They literally explicitly do have Master Roshi's moon level as 180
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Power Levels should be use Case by Case, if they do not contradict the manga.
22nd Budokai Tien and Goku are Possibly 5-C. While 21st Max Power Kamehameha Roshi is 5-C which is him at his best. Old King Piccolo scales above that.
I don't see how can Cyber Tao could get stronger than 22nd Budokai Tien or Goku in the span of 3 years after his defeat and another 3 years during the 23rd Budokai.
I can see him being stronger than Goku during the time-skip between Fortuneteller Baba Tournament and 22nd Budokai.
22nd Budokai Tien and Goku are Possibly 5-C. While 21st Max Power Kamehameha Roshi is 5-C which is him at his best. Old King Piccolo scales above that.
I don't see how can Cyber Tao could get stronger than 22nd Budokai Tien or Goku in the span of 3 years after his defeat and another 3 years during the 23rd Budokai.
I can see him being stronger than Goku during the time-skip between Fortuneteller Baba Tournament and 22nd Budokai.
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This is literally just an argument from incredulity, which is a fallacy.
Except nothing is contradicted, power levels are fine as rough comparisons, they're not fine for trying to find precise differences between characters or used as pseudo multipliers but Tao having a higher power level than 22nd Budokai Goku who we rate as possibly 5-C is a fact, as such, Tao should also have a possibly 5-C rating.
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That's okay but what you think and your own person preference isn't how things are determined. Master Roshi as Jackie Chun is 139 while Master Roshi's full power vs King Piccolo is 180 with his final Kamehameha unless, The Kanzenshuu says as much and backs the other Powerlevels from the Daizenshuu so unless you believe he's holding back against King Piccolo there is no contradiction.
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Prove how this is a contradiction instead of just using empty statements
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This makes sense, Tao knows how strong goku and tien were in the 22nd tournament and was confident that he could beat them, but then he got clapped by the much more powerful 23rd tien.
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How he knows though? Tao wasn't in the tournament and Master Shen was also kicked out of the Arena by Roshi before Goku and Tien fought
Neither of them can sense energy anyways
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Maybe he got the information from shen since shen TRAINED tien?
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Assumtion~
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This is the one that comes from Daizenshuu. It mentions Roshi's PL to be 139.
This one comes from Weekly Shonen Jump. It mentions Roshi'd PL to be 180, and Tao's to be 210. This is not one we use.
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This thing here shows jackie shun (master roshi) super kamehameha being rated as 180, but idk how legit is this part
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