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Browski, do you think a full body haki users are just colossus from the x-men?
Don’t you think haki adds anything else to the table besides “hard skin go brrr”?
Yes I think. What would be more in this skill?
You're trying to say that spacial manipulation durability negation can be halted by better durability.

Read that out loud and tell me if that makes sense.
I already proved using the manga that it makes sense.
Because haki nulls devil fruit abilities. It’s not stopped due to physical durability, it’s stopped due to Haki resisting what it can do. Which is spatial manipulation.
The only skill that nullifies DF is part of the yami yami no mi. Haki only makes the BODY tangible with altered DF properties. There is nothing in the manga proving that it is capable of "nullifying" external fruit abilities, such as the sticky Katakuri mochi.
because this has literally nothing to do with resisting any DF ability?
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There is nothing in the manga proving that it is capable of "nullifying" external fruit abilities,

Doffy stopped law’s slash with his armament haki INSIDE his room, if this is not enough proof that haki resists df abilities, idk what is...

come on people it has been years since this happened! Should have been enough time by now.
 
We haven’t accepted the power null yet? How? That’s been an inverse thing for years.
I mean the resistance to everything, not the things like touching logias/paramecias.

Yeah. We accept that Haki allows you to bypass certain DF defenses used by Logias and some Paramecias. Touching Luffy or Caeser will stop them from ignoring injuries by being rubbery or shapeshifting out of the way, but it won't stop Luffy from stretching or it won't stop Caeser from turning into gas.

As for being used to defend against all abilities derived from Devil Fruits... I don't think we've seen enough evidence for that. Law's DF is one of the few cases where it has been acknowledged in the verse, and even then it's a bit uncertain with what we've seen so far; (Vergo completely failed to stop Law with his Haki, and it's unclear when Law is actually using his spatial manipulation at times in the Doffy fight). But at least we can say that it is a possibility due to statements.

Doffy stopped law’s slash with his armament haki INSIDE his room, if this is not enough proof that haki resists df abilities, idk what is...

He caught his sword when Law tried to stab him with it, but it's impossible to tell if Law was actually trying to use spatial manipulation on him there. Law did manage to cut him through his Haki after all, so why didn't Law's "spatial slice" carry on once it has gotten past the Haki, if that's what he was using?
 
It never happened, NEVER with a DF attack from Law. I want to see the scan

Like i said, you can scroll up a bit and see for your self.

Idk how content from other wikis are treated here but here is a quote drom the ope ope no mi page on One piece Wiki.
“In addition, Smoker also strongly insinuated that sufficient proficiency with Haki may offer some level of resistance to the fruit's effects. But in spite of this, Law was able to cut Vergo in half even after the Marine Vice-Admiral invoked Busoshoku Haki throughout the entirety of his body, implying that Law's skill has surpassed Vergo's.[12] In support of Smoker's insinuation, Law was unable to cut through Doflamingo's usage of Busoshoku Haki, with the latter catching the former's sword and stopping Law's attack despite being inside of Law's ROOM.[16]”
 
Durability negating spatial resistance gets nulled by a physical durability amp, of course.
Not impossible, DBZ, Saint Seiya and probably other shounens work like that, we just don't add it to profiles iirc.

Anyway, are we going to treat even Law's and Sugar's fruits as natural instead of magical/supernatural?
 
We haven’t accepted the power null yet? How? That’s been an inverse thing for years.
Because someone misinterpreted "it doesn't stop logias from using their abilities" with "it doesn't stop DFs from working"
 
The wiki is written by the interpretation of one or more people, who may be wrong. It has been proven not only by me in this topic that the interpretation used by the wiki is not reliable.

I’m not telling you to reread the topicchdbdhd!1!!1!, im telling you to take a look at the scan posted earlier. : )
 
Yeah. We accept that Haki allows you to bypass certain DF defenses used by Logias and some Paramecias. Touching Luffy or Caeser will stop them from ignoring injuries by being rubbery or shapeshifting out of the way, but it won't stop Luffy from stretching or it won't stop Caeser from turning into gas.
You're completely right.
As for being used to defend against all abilities derived from Devil Fruits... I don't think we've seen enough evidence for that. Law's DF is one of the few cases where it has been acknowledged in the verse, and even then it's a bit uncertain with what we've seen so far; (Vergo completely failed to stop Law with his Haki, and it's unclear when Law is actually using his spatial manipulation at times in the Doffy fight). But at least we can say that it is a possibility due to statements.
Most likely it would be.
We see Haki absolutely block DF abilities, like with Daz Bones' "immunity" to slashing attacks, Luffy's "immunity" to blunt force, we already know the Logias. There would be no reason to say otherwise. Occam's razor basically says "it should work". I guess it's just innocent until proven guilty.
He caught his sword when Law tried to stab him with it, but it's impossible to tell if Law was actually trying to use spatial manipulation on him there. Law did manage to cut him through his Haki after all, so why didn't Law's "spatial slice" carry on once it has gotten past the Haki, if that's what he was using?
That's an example of AP ≠ Haki. It's like how Katakuri has better haki than Luffy but Luffy can match his AP.
Law's AP with his sword is higher than Doffy's dura w/ haki (well, that could be argued, he squeezed the sword), but the strength of the haki in general can't be measured.

Iirc I've never seen Law deliberately not use his Df abilities against someone unless it's been nulified. Law always starts off with either a variety of Amputate, Mes, or Takt. He was saving his stamina just to use his fruit against Doffy, there's no reason why he wouldn't have used it in this instance.
 
I think it really doesn't not work like that, natural space hax can be a thing, i just want to know if we are going that way.
We shouldn't. There's no reason why it wouldn't be natural.

We have no shown magical/supernatural devil fruits, we just have regular abilities. We have more examples of natural DFs than not. It shouldn't seem like that,
 
To you, nobody else agrees
I do, actually, Law is really nerfed by Oda.

We shouldn't. There's no reason why it wouldn't be natural.

We have no shown magical/supernatural devil fruits, we just have regular abilities. We have more examples of natural DFs than not. It shouldn't seem like that,
I mean, i can't see Sugar's DF being a natural thing, and characters who would be able to punch Ace/Enel can't punch Prometheus/Zeus, the fact they use elements from nature does not prove they aren't supernatural, but do you remember where we got the confirmation they affect the DNA?
 
On what basis? Your reasoning for it being weak is that Haki nulled it with raw durability; but your justification for that is that it’s weak. It’s circular reasoning.
In addition to ope ope no mi, what other spatial manipulation can be stopped with the use of durability? If there is none, why would the ope ope no mi have to be on the same level as the others?
 
I do, actually, Law is really nerfed by Oda.
Can't disagree there
I mean, i can't see Sugar's DF being a natural thing,
Well, you're not wrong. I guess that counts as supernatural
and characters who would be able to punch Ace/Enel can't punch Prometheus/Zeus,
Because Logias have true bodies outside of their elemental intangibility. Prometheus and Zeus are purely elements. Zeus is purely a cloud while Prom- is purely fire.
the fact they use elements from nature does not prove they aren't supernatural,
That makes sense
but do you remember where we got the confirmation they affect the DNA?
They affect the Lineage Factor, which is the One Piece equivalent of DNA.
 
If there is none, why would the ope ope no mi have to be on the same level as the others?
Because until proven, we take all abilities as baseline strength.
We can get spacial manip from 40 different verses, they're all baseline until proven otherwise.
 
so far you have not argued a comma about your point. I'm curious, show me that haki base is more than body hardness.
I can show you my point, but unfortunately I can't help you see.

And I've been replying your messages with my point of view all morning. If you really think I haven't argued a comma about my point, it just proves my perception of you is correct, a brick wall.
 
So you've never seen Gear Fourth huh
That is the tribal haki, only 3 people were able to use this haki.
...it also screws with DF powers like Logias? It inverse effects DF powers, you’re arguing against the manga. Something you’ve been claiming we’re doing.
And how would that help against cuts in space manipulation? Haki just makes something that has a body tangible.
I can show you my point, but unfortunately I can't help you see.

And I've been replying your messages with my point of view all morning. If you really think I haven't argued a comma about my point, it just proves my perception of you is correct, a brick wall.
If you can prove that you have even argued once about "the additional properties of haki", I will publicly apologize for being born to everyone on that topic, and I will never return to this wiki.
 
That is the tribal haki, only 3 people were able to use this haki.
Headcanon that it has different properties. Can you prove so?
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We’re proposing that the haki nulls those powers. The haki nulling spatial manipulation is the proof.

You don’t null dura negging spatial manipulation with raw durability.
 
What's your point with that? Only Luffy, Katakuri, bigmom and vergo showed the ability to merge haki with property of the body/object.
They're the only ones who wanted to.
All because people haven't shown it doesn't mean that they can't do it.
Argument from ignorance.
 
Ok? Some people infused haki into things. Not sure why that proves it’s a different haki or fundamentally different in literally any way.
 
powers. The haki nulling spatial manipulation is the proof.

You don’t null dura negging spatial manipulation with raw durability.
Haki is not able to cancel DF and much less EXTERNAL powers produced by them, it just makes the body of some users tangible.
 
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