Busoshoku Haki Huge Addition

[Damage3245]

I find the whole Resistance to the OP-OP fruit more of a strong possibility than anything conclusive. We don't have an undeniable case of it in action since Vergo never fought Law before when he had his DF (Doflamingo did seem to just be hyping him up without anything to actually base his words on), and it's possible that Doflamingo caught his sword with Haki not to neutalize the spatial manipulation, but just because he's catching a bladed weapon with his bare hands and wearing some invisible armor would be a sensible thing to do.

So yeah, it's heavily suggested that Haki would have some kind of effect at protecting against Law's Devil Fruit, but we just don't have significant feats for it.

 

[Kurifesilon]

(Doflamingo did seem to just be hyping him up without anything to actually base his words on),

Doffy searched for this fruit since he escaped Mariegeoise. And he left the place with knowledge of the Holy Land's treasure. He also knew that the Ope ope was necessary for his plan to work, so maybe he gathered some info about the fruit there.

we also know for a fact that the fruits are documented in a encyclopedia. And they are not that rare, Teach read it in the past when he was a nobody. It is pretty safe to assume that Doffy, who was the most influential man in the underworld, knew about the encyclopedia.

And before you say that the encyclopedia is not complete and the ope ope no mi might not be there. It’s pretty obvious that theworld government had a deep understanding of the fruit, if not why would they be willing to spend 5 billion bellies on it?

 

[Karlsefni]

Alguém que não concorda com a resistência espacial mani pode se opor à citação do fumante?

Yes, in the quote about haki vergo it is implied that the ability to stop amputate comes from the haki's hardness. Being tough is not exclusive to haki, so resistance to manipulating space is overkill, he is just tough enough.

 

[LordGinSama]

It was a surprise blow. Doflamingo using haki is a normal reaction that any character without physical hardness would have against the sword of a supernova.

It being a surprise blow is irrelevant, Law manipulates and controlls space, it being a surprise blow doesn't make Law stop "using space." like seriously? Gonna be honest with you chief, a lot of your arguments makes zero sense.



I agree 100% with the OP, good job King.

 

[LordGinSama]

Anyway, we can clearly see that you didn't even know about the scene being discussed, and yet you acted arrogantly. Has no shame?

Also another thing, quit acting so God damn condensing and all knowing. You've done nothing but act passive aggressively and smug this entire thread, if you disagree that's cool but if you wanna act like that you shouldn't even be here. This isn't the first time you've acted out like that either here.

 

[Kurifesilon]

Yes, in the quote about haki vergo it is implied that the ability to stop amputate comes from the haki's hardness. Being tough is not exclusive to haki, so resistance to manipulating space is overkill, he is just tough enough.

Being tough is not enough to stop Law’s spatial manipulation.

 

[LordGinSama]

"Being tough enough" doesn't allow you to tank a hax, that's absolute nonsense and isn't even accepted as "durability" on this wiki.

 

[Karlsefni]

It being a surprise blow is irrelevant, Law manipulates and controlls space, it being a surprise blow doesn't make Law stop "using space." like seriously? Gonna be honest with you chief, a lot of your arguments makes zero sense.

you fell here by parachute, little boy. Everyone against arguments opposing my speech has already been refuted.

Also another thing, quit acting so God damn condensing and all knowing. You've done nothing but act passive aggressively and smug this entire thread, if you disagree that's cool but if you wanna act like that you shouldn't even be here. This isn't the first time you've acted out like that either here.

Is this topic for discussing one piece, or masturbating the little friend's penis regardless of the context?

 

[LordGinSama]

Smooth brain I'll see you on the report thread lol.

 

[Karlsefni]

Being tough is not enough to stop Law’s spatial manipulation.

So why did Vergo imbue the whole body with kouka?

 

[LordGinSama]

So why did Vergo imbue the whole body with kouka?

Because it grants resistance to spatial manipulation, spatial manipulation isn't something you can deal with using just durability.



We separate resistance and durability for a good reason, maybe familiarize yourself with the wiki standards before you convince yourself that your right whenever you inherently aren't, so kindly get off your high horse mr "I refuted everyone."

 

[XDragnoir]

It being a surprise blow is irrelevant, Law manipulates and controlls space, it being a surprise blow doesn't make Law stop "using space." like seriously? Gonna be honest with you chief, a lot of your arguments makes zero sense.

If he was indeed using his space hax there, why the attack didn't cut then? Doffy only covered his left hand as far as we can see, but from Ope Ope vs Vergo the only way to block it would be full body haki, since there is no safe point inside a Room.

 

[Karlsefni]

Because it grants resistance to spatial manipulation, spatial manipulation isn't something you can deal with using just durability.

So Law's spatial manipulation should be in a lower position compared to others, because opverse is something that can be stopped with durability.

 

[Karlsefni]

One thing we know: Tashigi was cut off for not having a strong enough haki.

"But what defines a" strong haki ", and how would it be applied in the resistance of space manipulation?"

Doflamingo makes it clear that the "strong haki" refers solely and exclusively to BUSOSHOKU's harshness, using Vergo as the inspiration for his speech. So, Tashigi was cut because his busoshoku hardness was weak, but with a hard busoshoku, it would be possible to block.

 

[Kurifesilon]

If he was indeed using his space hax there, why the attack didn't cut then? Doffy only covered his left hand as far as we can see, but from Ope Ope vs Vergo the only way to block it would be full body haki, since there is no safe point inside a Room.

Definetly not the only way to block it, Doffy is a proficient user of observation haki. He just needs to use armament haki on the spot where he going to get hit.

 

[Karlsefni]

Anyway, keep ignoring the manga's logic to satisfy your desperate desires to raise the power level of the piece verse.

 

[Kurifesilon]

So Law's spatial manipulation should be in a lower position compared to others, because opverse is something that can be stopped with durability.

Yes the strength of the very thing that negates it.This should be a feat for armament haki not a anti-feat for law’s devil fruit tf?

Show me a feat of anything with high durability stopping law’s amputate outside of haki. If you can i will concede

 

[LordGinSama]

So Law's spatial manipulation should be in a lower position compared to others, because opverse is something that can be stopped with durability.

No it isn't? You haven't proven jack, nor do you have any evidence that tanking hax in OP is durability feat rather than a resistance, and the arguments you brought thus far hasn't had any agreements. Stop acting as if your correct whenever literally nobody agrees with you.

 

[KingTempest]

Ok.

This wiki accepts Ope Ope no Mi's abilities as durability negation.
Which means durability is 100000% useless.

If you have issues with that, make a CRT to change it.

Anyway, keep ignoring the manga's logic to satisfy your desperate desires to raise the power level of the piece verse.

This is uncalled for.

The manga says superior haki blocks it out, yet you're thinking of durability, and now you want to say this

So Law's spatial manipulation should be in a lower position compared to others, because opverse is something that can be stopped with durability.

Which is actually hilarious.

One thing we know: Tashigi was cut off for not having a strong enough haki.

"But what defines a" strong haki ", and how would it be applied in the resistance of space manipulation?"

Doflamingo makes it clear that the "strong haki" refers solely and exclusively to BUSOSHOKU's harshness, using Vergo as the inspiration for his speech. So, Tashigi was cut because his busoshoku hardness was weak, but with a hard busoshoku, it would be possible to block.

You should change verses if you take "strong haki" as "more durable haki".

There's a huge difference between "strong" and "more durable".

 

[LordGinSama]

Posts "evidence" for his claim about durability.

Literally in the same scan it's stated "His Haki will completely block even your chopping ability."

Literally anyone with a basic grasp of the English language can tell you that this doesn't insinuate durability but a resistance.

 

[Karlsefni]

Show me a feat of anything with high durability stopping law’s amputate outside of haki. If you can i will concede

Show me the Busoshoku stopping space manipulation.

No it isn't? You haven't proven jack, nor do you have any evidence that tanking hax in OP is durability feat rather than a resistance, and the arguments you brought thus far hasn't had any agreements. Stop acting as if your correct whenever literally nobody agrees with you

One thing we know: Tashigi was cut off for not having a strong enough haki.

"But what defines a" strong haki ", and how would it be applied in the resistance of space manipulation?"

Doflamingo makes it clear that the "strong haki" refers solely and exclusively to BUSOSHOKU's harshness, using Vergo as the inspiration for his speech. So, Tashigi was cut because his busoshoku hardness was weak, but with a hard busoshoku, it would be possible to block.

Is the logic applied in manga not enough for you?

The manga says superior haki blocks it out, yet you're thinking of durability, and now you want to say this

Hm, so doflamingo quotes "haki superior" while vergo uses Kouka to dress up and look better, but not to block the attack from the front. Good logical thinking, haha.

 

[Axxtentacle]

It’s an attack that negs durability with spatial manipulation, though. Armament Haki may grant a physical amp, but a physical amp is not enough to deal with spatial manipulation.

 

[Karlsefni]

Literally anyone with a basic grasp of the English language can tell you that this doesn't insinuate durability but a resistance

Resistance and durability can have the same meaning, it is up to you, a thinking being to be able to distinguish the context.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Resistance and durability can have the same meaning, it is up to you, a thinking being to be able to distinguish the context.

No. They can not, not on this wiki. They’re very strictly separate.

Resistance: Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities.

Durability: Durability is the property which guarantees the ability to withstand a certain amount of force. This is not to be confused with endurance; while durability is the ability to withstand damage, endurance is a measure of stamina.

They are strictly separate things.

 

[LordGinSama]

Show me the Busoshoku stopping space manipulation.

Several users already have, so on top of being blatantly arrogant and hostile, now you wanna be dismissive of evidence being presented? Hmm.

ic applied in manga not enough for you?

The manga literally goes against what your attempting to argue for. Doffy said "His Haki will completely block even your cutting ability." at no point does he ever the reason being "hAkI bEiNg HaRd!!"

Hm, so doflamingo quotes "haki superior" while vergo uses Kouka to dress up and look better, but not to block the attack from the front. Good logical thinking, haha.

Incoherent nonsense tbh, Doffy never mentioned Vergo's Haki's durability being the attributing factor for the cancelation.

Resistance and durability can have the same meaning, it is up to you, a thinking being to be able to distinguish the context.

Basic English and the wiki standards say no

 

[Kurifesilon]

Show me the Busoshoku stopping space manipulation.

Bruh, just scroll up lol.

 

[Karlsefni]

They are strictly separate things.

Nerdy concepts. I say again, it is up to the reader to interpret according to the situation. If I say that the floor in your house is sturdy, would I be wrong? of course not.

 

[Axxtentacle]

So, let’s follow an at least semi-consistent train of logic.

Haki negs DF powers, yet can be overpowered by a strong enough DF, or if their Haki is too weak.

Vergo applies haki all over his body, something that’s supposed to make you resistant to DF powers from his own understanding.

Doflamingo says that his haki will make Law’s DF ability null- and we know his DF is something that negs durability via spatial manipulation.

Therefore, haki is resisting his spatial manipulation.

Nerdy concepts. I say again, it is up to the reader to interpret according to the situation. If I say that the floor in your house is sturdy, would I be wrong? of course not.

“Nerdy concepts.” This is literally a wiki about powerscaling and battling fictional characters. Why is this relevant? It’s our standards. Go do wiki-wide revisions if you disagree with it.

 

[Damage3245]

@Karlsefni; I have some minor issues with it, but the way you're arguing against it is totally wrong. Durability and Resistances are not the same concept on this wiki.

 

[Karlsefni]

Several users already have, so on top of being blatantly arrogant and hostile, now you wanna be dismissive of evidence being presented? Hmm.

Show me any of those "several" that I refute.

The manga literally goes against what your attempting to argue for. Doffy said "His Haki will completely block even your cutting ability." at no point does he ever the reason being "hAkI bEiNg HaRd!!"

Incoherent nonsense tbh, Doffy never mentioned Vergo's Haki's durability being the attributing factor for the cancelation.

It follows the same logic applied at the end of the fight in dressrosa. Doflamingo quotes HAKI even though he is clearly referring to Luffy's Busoshoku, who was weakened.

 

[Axxtentacle]

It follows the same logic applied at the end of the fight in dressrosa. Doflamingo quotes HAKI even though he is clearly referring to Luffy's Busoshoku, who was weakened.

...what? This means nothing. This proves nothing for either side of the argument other than you’re reaching for straws.

 

[Karlsefni]

Therefore, haki is resisting his spatial manipulation.

What kind of spatial manipulation is stopped due to physical durability? According to yourselves, it is impossible. Law's spatial manipulation is not entirely spatial manipulation.

Durability and Resistances are not the same concept on this wiki

But it is still possible to interpret correctly following the context of the discussion. These guys are just throwing a tantrum for a word with broad meanings.

 

[Karlsefni]

...what? This means nothing. This proves nothing for either side of the argument other than you’re reaching for straws.

How does it not prove? in both situations there is the word "haki" mentioned with Busoshoku being presented on screen.

 

[Kurifesilon]

What kind of spatial manipulation is stopped due to physical durability? According to yourselves, it is impossible. Law's spatial manipulation is not entirely spatial manipulation.

Browski, do you think a full body haki users are just colossus from the x-men?
Don’t you think haki adds anything else to the table besides “hard skin go brrr”?

 

[KingTempest]

But it is still possible to interpret correctly following the context of the discussion. These guys are just throwing a tantrum for a word with broad meanings.

You're trying to say that spacial manipulation durability negation can be halted by better durability.

Read that out loud and tell me if that makes sense.

 

[Axxtentacle]

What kind of spatial manipulation is stopped due to physical durability? According to yourselves, it is impossible. Law's spatial manipulation is not entirely spatial manipulation.

Because haki nulls devil fruit abilities. It’s not stopped due to physical durability, it’s stopped due to Haki resisting what it can do. Which is spatial manipulation.

But it is still possible to interpret correctly following the context of the discussion. These guys are just throwing a tantrum for a word with broad meanings.

?? What are you even attempting to say? “with broad meanings” no, he clearly says that his haki is going to make his DF useless, and haki negates devil fruit abilities if it’s strong enough.

How does it not prove? in both situations there is the word "haki" mentioned with Busoshoku being presented on screen.

...because this has literally nothing to do with resisting any DF ability?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

You're trying to say that spacial manipulation durability negation can be halted by better durability.

Read that out loud and tell me if that makes sense.

This. @Karlsefni

The way you're arguing about this is completely wrong.

 

[XDragnoir]

Because haki nulls devil fruit abilities. It’s not stopped due to physical durability, it’s stopped due to Haki resisting what it can do. Which is spatial manipulation.

I mean, i completely disagree with Karlsefni way of debating (90% sure my way isn't much different, but meh), but you are using the Haki's yet to be accepted and applied power null as if it was an already stabilished thing.

But changing a bit from Law to Sugar, do we have any idea if Haki would work against her powers?

 

[Axxtentacle]

We haven’t accepted the power null yet? How? That’s been an inverse thing for years.

 

[XDragnoir]

We haven’t accepted the power null yet? How? That’s been an inverse thing for years.

I mean the resistance to everything, not the things like touching logias/paramecias.