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They literally are. Shikamaru, the Gokage, Sakura, none of them are scaled to be superior to peak Naruto and Sasuke.
And none of them should scale to their Base forms either. Except maybe Gaara, Chojuro, and Shikamaru with his shadow posession.
 
its already explained why they do. Sakura has scaling to no tomoe sasuke which lines up well with the statements i posted prior
 
For the Isshiki part specifically, where does it even say threat? As far as I can tell, it directly says "the strongest and worst enemy", which also makes far more sense than "the strongest and worst threat" linguistically.

敵 = enemy, opponent, foe etc

So if we read it as this, all it means is that he's stronger than Kaguya, which doesn't matter much because Kaguya doesn't scale to ETSB.
 
An part from the novel Saasuke Retsuden, Sasuke even knowing Sakura's level, he thought the mission was too dangerous for her, and the narrator says that NOBODY compares to Sasuke in battle, just Naruto:
“I know your ability, but all I’m saying is that I’m enough here.”
And none of them should scale to their Base forms either. Except maybe Chojuro, and Shikamaru with his shadow posession.
Nobody even scales to their base forms either, in case you haven’t paid attention. In the OP, base Naruto is scaled higher than all of the Kage, and so is Sasuke. The Kage and Shikamaru scale off of base Momoshiki and Kinshiki, Sakura scales off of a weakened Sasuke. Weakened.
 
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prove the "order of magnitude chakra" reserves.
prove the "order of magnitude chakra" reserves.
prove the "order of magnitude chakra" reserves.
 
For the Isshiki part specifically, where does it even say threat? As far as I can tell, it directly says "the strongest and worst enemy", which also makes far more sense than "the strongest and worst threat" linguistically.

敵 = enemy, opponent, foe etc

So if we read it as this, all it means is that he's stronger than Kaguya, which doesn't matter much because Kaguya doesn't scale to ETSB.
Arc already agreed to drop the Tier 4 stuff for now.
 
They are the strongest humans BY FAR. It's the statement, Why would both nerfed stay in 5-B? they are even nerfed by the script for the gaiden story to continue, if Sakura is VERY inferior to Sasuke full power, why would she be in the same tier as him? doesn't make any sense, we don't even know how nerfed Naruto and Sasuke were, they should be in unknown, unless y'all prove that he keeps level 5-B there, y'all consider a 4-C character to be thousands of times nerfed for being off guard, so why couldn't Naruto and Sasuke be a thousand times nerfed by the script?
 
For the Isshiki part specifically, where does it even say threat? As far as I can tell, it directly says "the strongest and worst enemy", which also makes far more sense than "the strongest and worst threat" linguistically.

敵 = enemy, opponent, foe etc

So if we read it as this, all it means is that he's stronger than Kaguya, which doesn't matter much because Kaguya doesn't scale to ETSB.
wasnt the etso point dropped earlier
 
They are the strongest humans BY FAR. It's the statement, Why would both nerfed stay in 5-B? they are even nerfed by the script for the gaiden story to continue, if Sakura is VERY inferior to Sasuke full power, why would she be in the same tier as him? doesn't make any sense, we don't even know how nerfed Naruto and Sasuke were, they should be in unknown, unless y'all prove that he keeps level 5-B there, y'all consider a 4-C character to be thousands of times nerfed for being off guard, so why couldn't Naruto and Sasuke be a thousand times nerfed by the script?
sasuke's only nerf in gaiden was losing tomoes which happens with rinnegan over use
 
Okay with the rest, don’t like the Kages scaling as that f—ks up the narrative but you mrks don’t care about my feelings.

Gotta disagree on the whole Isshiki High 4-C, no I don’t have a counter argument but I think the OP argument is all that strong also as that requires that when they said “biggest threat ever and strongest otutsuki” they were specifically including the ETSO too, but that’s an attack that don’t scale to kaguya physicals here unless we plan to change that.

And the whole Sakura thing, 20 can be 5-B and there will still be a clear combat capability gaps between them, either by AP, haxes or skills
 
Okay with the rest, don’t like the Kages scaling as that f—ks up the narrative but you mrks don’t care about my feelings.

Gotta disagree on the whole Isshiki High 4-C, no I don’t have a counter argument but I think the OP argument is all that strong also as that requires that when they said “biggest threat ever and strongest otutsuki” they were specifically including the ETSO too, but that’s an attack that don’t scale to kaguya physicals here unless we plan to change that.

And the whole Sakura thing, 20 can be 5-B and there will still be a clear combat capability gaps between them, either by AP, haxes or skills
4-c was dropped
 
I don't think the pages being that high breaks the narrative

Both the anime and the manga make it clear that all the villages want to get ready for more Invaders, with onoki explicitly pointing out kaguya in the anime.

Then you have the kakashi novel confirming he got massively stronger by mentioning magnitudes higher
 
I don't think the pages being that high breaks the narrative

Both the anime and the manga make it clear that all the villages want to get ready for more Invaders, with onoki explicitly pointing out kaguya in the anime.

Then you have the kakashi novel confirming he got massively stronger by mentioning magnitudes higher
Could you send this statement from Kakashi? I remember it's only mentioned that he was stronger than when he faced Obito and Madara
 
@Darsh748 Some amazing writing going on in Boruto. Naruto & Sasuke get rusty over years of peacetime while the Kages get tens of thousands of times stronger.
Blame the manga, anime, and novels painting a very clear chain of growth for all five villages over the years with the intention to be to combat these kind of beings
 
Naruto VS wiki supporters when Konohamaru becomes 5-B (any oppositions are arguments from incredulity)
We literally scale Part II Konohamaru's Rasengan to one shot a Pain Body so, yeah if Konohamaru has feats and no antifeats he will be scaled to 5-B.

Try harder.
 
Now that I understand the main problem with the scale...

1-Declaration of the Code. Although declared to be stronger than Delta, Code upon meeting her in Konoha was easily defeated and needed Ada's help.


2-The statements about nerfed Naruto and Sasuke scales for Code aren't enough, there isn't a direct clash between them, and Code being reluctant about the duo's strength doesn't mean they should scales to Code, it just doesn't happen, while there is not in fact a statement that states this. In fact, all statements are contrary and made by characters who do not know the real level of the duo, so it should not be considered.
 
I'm okay with it all except shin, sakura, the gokage except naruto and gaara's sand scaling to tier 5 at all.

Kurotsuchi and chojuro after the entire Momoshiki fiasco were shown in the anime (its part canon) to be taken down by enemies that even Boruto and the gang can handle.

I literally can't imagine any normal human except naruto and sasuke scaling above hagoromo, kaguya and hamura as it basically defeats the entire lore in the story.

I can say with 100% certainty that none of them are even relative to hashirama.
 
Kurotsuchi and chojuro after the entire Momoshiki fiasco were shown in the anime (its part canon) to be taken down by enemies that even Boruto and the gang can handle.
Chojuro doesn’t physically scale to Kinshiki, anyone harming him is not an anti-feat, and I believe Arc only wants Kurotsuchi to scale with jutsu as well.
I literally can't imagine any normal human except naruto and sasuke scaling above hagoromo, kaguya and hamura as it basically defeats the entire lore in the story.
This is an argument from incredulity and doesn’t actually counter anything.
I can say with 100% certainty that none of them are even relative to hashirama.
This is also argument from incredulity and could be countered considering that Gaara’s sand in the War Arc could contend with Madara and his Susano’o.
 
I'm okay with it all except shin, sakura, the gokage except naruto and gaara's sand scaling to tier 5 at all.

Kurotsuchi and chojuro after the entire Momoshiki fiasco were shown in the anime (its part canon) to be taken down by enemies that even Boruto and the gang can handle.

I literally can't imagine any normal human except naruto and sasuke scaling above hagoromo, kaguya and hamura as it basically defeats the entire lore in the story.

I can say with 100% certainty that none of them are even relative to hashirama.
Chojuro objectively pierces Kinshiki with his jutsu and Kurotsuchi objectively burns Kinshiki with her jutsu
 
I mean the whole context is they got weaker, Shin was literally talking about it


Wrong. Sasuke was forced to protect his ******* daughter from Shin's attack. If Sasuke was too late to protect his daughter would get killed by Shin and he would apeshit on Shin without holding back. It's obviously Naruto and Sasuke were holding back against Shin because they might killed Sarada and Chocho by accidentally.
 
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