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That Borushiki that fought Code is stronger than the Borushiki that fought Sasuke. Borushiki against Boro and Sasuke was without Boruto's chakra and only had the strength to take over Boruto's body if he was exhausted and lost consciousness. But on that occasion he took the body and was not stopped by Boruto, which indicates a superiority.
 
This is an argument from incredulity and doesn’t actually counter anything
This is one of the problems with this wiki. So going against the story's lore is only an argument from incredulity?
This is also argument from incredulity and could be countered considering that Gaara’s sand in the War Arc could contend with Madara and his Susano’o.
I already excluded gaara with his sand didn't I?
 
My issue is that they don't have the actual feats. Shin catching Sasuke's blade isn't good enough for both him and Sakura to scale to twice as strong/tough as Madara at his peak.
Damage, Shin catching Sasuke’s blade is not the only reason that he scales, please re-read the OP. Shin scales because Kid Shin tanked Sasuke’s Raiton with no problem, Naruto and Kurama state that they have to go all-out against Kid Shin, Shin catches Sasuke’s sword, and he harms Sasuke.
 
Damage, Shin catching Sasuke’s blade is not the only reason that he scales, please re-read the OP. Shin scales because Kid Shin tanked Sasuke’s Raiton with no problem, Naruto and Kurama state that they have to go all-out against Kid Shin, Shin catches Sasuke’s sword, and he harms Sasuke.
I already addressed that point too.
 
Daily reminder that Naruto never scale to a Kaguya would be, she super casually at the beginning of the fight was dealing with Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto only started doing something after she was losing power by the dimension change, and that was before her wanting to kill him after she goes to her main dimension and back to ice dimension starts destroying all of Naruto's clones and would have killed him if he hadn't used the clone trick

 
This is one of the problems with this wiki. So going against the story's lore is only an argument from incredulity?

I already excluded gaara with his sand didn't I?
the narrative is the villages got stronger over the years to combat kaguya like foes, and we see them do just that
 
And one more problem:

The OP uses as an argument the fact that Code is afraid to face the nerfed duo and decides to wait for the limiters to break to face them. I'll use that as an argument too.

Well, Code with Karma > Delta by declaration. But Delta faced and kept up with Naruto Rikudō... Even though he doesn't go all out, he's still MUCH stronger than his base form, and I say that because he initially faced Delta in base form but when she level up the chakra to fight seriously he immediately uses Rikudō Mode as he clearly assumes that even taking it easy, he couldn't just use his base form, which puts Delta above the base form on a massive scale. However, Code is apprehensive and apparently isn't much stronger than Naruto and Sasuke base... It doesn't make sense.
 
I'm okay with it all except shin, sakura, the gokage except naruto and gaara's sand scaling to tier 5 at all.

Kurotsuchi and chojuro after the entire Momoshiki fiasco were shown in the anime (its part canon) to be taken down by enemies that even Boruto and the gang can handle.

I literally can't imagine any normal human except naruto and sasuke scaling above hagoromo, kaguya and hamura as it basically defeats the entire lore in the story.

I can say with 100% certainty that none of them are even relative to hashirama.
Kurotsuchi getting one shot by a clone that was made to fight Otsutsuki isn't really an anti feat
Daily reminder that Naruto never scale to a Kaguya would be, she super casually at the beginning of the fight was dealing with Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto only started doing something after she was losing power by the dimension change, and that was before her wanting to kill him after she goes to her main dimension and back to ice dimension starts destroying all of Naruto's clones and would have killed him if he hadn't used the clone trick


At the beginning of the fight Naruto still briefly matched her vacuum palm before being overpowered but regardless even tho I disagree on the Teen Naruto scaling this would still scale to the Momoshiki statement inherently
 
The issue here is strictly narrative intentions vs the idea of power-scaling itself.

Narratively, does it make sense these people gained this level of power? Personally, hell no.

But they did so anyway, so they satisfy the rules for scaling. Specially with (the excuses) the narrative reasons, as highlighted by Cyber.

The only real way to "debunk" these upgrades is to change how power-scaling as a whole is applied on the site. Something insanely difficult to do, but not impossible.

Until then, I agree with the OP.
 
The level of justification used to upgrade the Sakura and the Kages and such can be used to upgrade Boruto.

For example he bruised Fused Momoshiki with his Vanishing Rasengan, which according to the anime is significantly weaker than his regular Rasengan.
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He tanked a punch from Delta.
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He severely damaged Ku with his Rasengan. The arc is actually in conflict with the Shikimaru Shinden novel; the novel takes places during the Mujina Bandit arc and Onoki is a supporting character and still alive, but the Mitsuki Disappearance anime arc killed Onoki before that.
Kawaki managed to intercept Delta's beam similar to Naruto.
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If we accept every outlier left and right at face value, most characters would be equal to each other with no explanation. According to the novelization, Rock Lee would beat up Momoshiki due to his Taijutsu skills:
“You can only release jutsu that you’ve sucked up...right?” He said, “It’s the same trickery as the Scientific Ninja Tool Division’s toy.”

“In that case, we should mainly use Taijutsu and not let you suck up any jutsu.” Darui said.

Gaara continued as he expanded his sand and took control of the air space. “It’s the same as Kaguya, huh.”

In that case, it was a shame they hadn’t brought Rock Lee with them, but, well, it wasn’t bad to show off his taijutsu every now and then.
So I guess he doesn't need the Eighth Gates to beat up Madara; how do we know that Momoshiki is not physically weak and that Fused Momoshiki wasn't holding back against the Kages?

Thoughts on pre-Juubi and pre-Fruit Kaguya doing this much damage to Isshiki?
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We can say that it is hax (even though Isshiki's spine is still intact, and Isshiki is said to have ran out of energy), but if so why can't we say that Shikimaru's shadow is hax that prevents the opponent from using their physical strength, or that Chojuro's attack is hax?

How would Kaguya know about the future strength of Momoshiki and Kinshiki? Their invasion would've been centuries in the future and there is no telling how much stronger they can get through eating Chakra Fruits. Also they might have hax that allows them to steal the power of other Otsutsuki.

Nobody even scales to their base forms either, in case you haven’t paid attention. In the OP, base Naruto is scaled higher than all of the Kage, and so is Sasuke. The Kage and Shikamaru scale off of base Momoshiki and Kinshiki, Sakura scales off of a weakened Sasuke. Weakened.
How do we know near out of Chakra Sasuke and rusty Naruto who scale to Shin don't scale below Tier 5?

the narrative is the villages got stronger over the years to combat kaguya like foes, and we see them do just that
So how come Hashirama and Madara (while alive), who were among the most talented Shinobi to ever exist, not achieve such physical prowess?
 
All I saw you say was that you don’t think it’s a 5-B attack, which isn’t an argument at all.
Where is the evidence that it is a 5-B attack? If that's one of the main supports for Shin and Sakura scaling to 5-B, that is important.
 
Naruto literally using SP BSM against shins clones, same clones being able to hurt shin, sarada and chocho being relative to said clones (all of these in BoS).

Tsuchikage being captured, her captors are also capable of no selling her jitsu that should supposedly scale to kinshiki, said captors could be matched by boruto and his friends

Mizukage getting handled by the new "seven ninja swordsmen of the mist" that could also handle his jutsu, were later defeated by boruto and his classmates.

Most of these anti feats are from the beginning of the series. The anime is canon except for some episodes that are blatantly filler. So non of these are enough to spell "anti-feats", "outlier", "inconsistency" to any of you?

Giving 6A to sakura, shin, the gokage except gaara and naruto, shikamaru, kakashi would be generous.
 
I'm okay with it all except shin, sakura, the gokage except naruto and gaara's sand scaling to tier 5 at all.

Kurotsuchi and chojuro after the entire Momoshiki fiasco were shown in the anime (its part canon) to be taken down by enemies that even Boruto and the gang can handle.

I literally can't imagine any normal human except naruto and sasuke scaling above hagoromo, kaguya and hamura as it basically defeats the entire lore in the story.

I can say with 100% certainty that none of them are even relative to hashirama.
Bro saying you can’t imagine something happening isn’t proof of anything
 
Where is the evidence that it is a 5-B attack? If that's one of the main supports for Shin and Sakura scaling to 5-B, that is important.
Because Sasuke is a 5-B… Shin takes an attack from Sasuke, so his durability scales to 5-B. It’s that simple.
 
Damage, Shin catching Sasuke’s blade is not the only reason that he scales, please re-read the OP. Shin scales because Kid Shin tanked Sasuke’s Raiton with no problem, Naruto and Kurama state that they have to go all-out against Kid Shin, Shin catches Sasuke’s sword, and he harms Sasuke.
Sarada and chocho at this point can also go up against kid shin. Why don't they scale?
 
Not only does Naruto admit to going all out, we literally see and get statements that he is bloodlusted and enraged.
He himself says he took it easy, because if he had gone with full force to kill it would have been MUCH easier.
 
Because Sasuke is a 5-B… Shin takes an attack from Sasuke, so his durability scales to 5-B. It’s that simple.
I don't subscribe to that kind of ultra-simplified approach to powerscaling. That kind of scaling is simply ridiculous.

That's how you end up with fodder scaling to the God Tiers of the verse.

By this logic, let's make Minato to be Planetary then.

This is exactly the problem I mentioned earlier; sometimes people just assume that every punch or technique from a character is automatically their strongest move. That characters are always fighting bloodlusted with intent to kill and cause maximum damage at all times.
 
I don't subscribe to that kind of ultra-simplified approach to powerscaling. That kind of scaling is simply ridiculous.
That’s literally how scaling works, dude… and calling it ridiculous isn’t an argument against it.
 
I don't subscribe to that kind of ultra-simplified approach to powerscaling. That kind of scaling is simply ridiculous.

That's how you end up with fodder scaling to the God Tiers of the verse.

By this logic, let's make Minato to be Planetary then.
While I agree with you on that,
Do you have proof Sasuke would want to held back his normal power level in that instance?
 
The OP explains this. Please read it.
I assume you are referring to this:
This is impressive, because as you’ll find out further down, Sasuke without his Rinnegan is still a threat to characters who scale decently into Planetary. Despite Sasuke being diminished of chakra from dimension hopping, he should be stronger with the no tomoe Rinnegan than without a Rinnegan at all.

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You are scaling Shin to Nearly out of Chakra Rinnengan Sasuke
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You are scaling Sasuke without Rinnengan but with Chakra to Nearly out of Chakra Borushiki

This scaling is controversial as people disagree on Shin and Nearly out of Chakra Borushiki being Tier 5.

Is there any inconsistency with this alternative scaling chain?

Sasuke without Rinnengan but with Chakra > Nearly out of Chakra Borushiki >Nearly out of Chakra Rinnengan Sasuke
 
By this logic, let's make Minato to be Planetary then.
Damage, this point was already countered by Shadow. Bringing it up again doesn’t change anything.
This is exactly the problem I mentioned earlier; sometimes people just assume that every punch or technique from a character is automatically their strongest move. That characters are always fighting bloodlusted with intent to kill and cause maximum damage at all times.
You haven’t given a single reason to suggest Sasuke wasn’t trying. You’ve literally just said “I don’t think it’s 5-B” and that’s it.
 
That’s literally how scaling works, dude… and calling it ridiculous isn’t an argument against it.
No, it isn't.

Just because a character is capable of something that powerful doesn't mean every single action or move they do carries that amount of energy. By this logic, Sasuke's weakest attacks are equal to his strongest attacks.
 
Kurotsuchi levar um tiro de um clone que foi feito para lutar contra Otsutsuki não é realmente um anti-faça
That same clone soon after fights against sennin Mitsuki without having all his power and they come out matched
No início da luta, Naruto ainda combinou brevemente com sua palma de vácuo antes de ser dominado, mas independentemente, mesmo que eu discorde da escala do Teen Naruto, isso ainda escalaria para a declaração de Momoshiki inerentemente
While Naruto was really trying she looked super casual here, But as I already explained she didn't want to kill him at that moment.

 
You haven’t given a single reason to suggest Sasuke wasn’t trying. You’ve literally just said “I don’t think it’s 5-B” and that’s it.

You just said "I think it's 5-B", and that's it. You've offered zero evidence.
 
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