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Compared to the initial 2-A Anti-Matter wave, Anti-Monitor with just the expanding AMverse was very underwhelming against the Heroes and his own Shadow Demons.
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Thoughts on this?Just something i thought rn.
The monitor being empowered by infinite positive matter is a high 3-A and infinite stamina feat.
However, is he "empowered by positive matter from infinite universes" or is he "empowered by infinite positive matter universes"?
The former is high 3-A because infinite matter unless DC's positive matter works differently, but the latter would be 2-A because "positive matter universes" would just be the actual universes, unlike the anti-monitor's "anti-matter universe".
Actually wait, wouldn't it be infinite above baseline low 2-C, since you are supposed to destroy infinite universes at once for 2-A or something, kinda like 4-A requires one blast because distance?
So we have:Looks good
Seems perfectSo we have:
- Base = At least 2-C, higher with Expanding Antimatter Universe and absorbing energy
- Anti-Matter Wave = 2-A
- After absorbing expanded Anti-Matter Universe and 50 Heroes = 2-A
PerfectSo we have:
- Base = At least 2-C, higher with Expanding Antimatter Universe and absorbing energy
- Anti-Matter Wave = 2-A
- After absorbing expanded Anti-Matter Universe and 50 Heroes = 2-A
I meant at that time, and yes I do know thunderbolt was shown massively stronger than spectre afterwards, the only exception i k ow is the jsa spirit of Vengeance issue where spectre redirects his attacks.Yes, but we cannot use retroactive continuity. The Thunderbolt was established as much stronger than the Spectre first 13 years afterwards. Back then it wasn't as powerful.
Not saying spectre is consistently above thunderbolt, just saying on that era spectre was stronger than thunderbolt.Also, The Anti-Monitor was recently retconned as being much stronger than 5-dimensional imps, who in turn had been established as much stronger than The Spectre in other stories, so we would end up with nonsensical contradictory scaling as a result.
What mean is, does he draw the power from the positive matter or from the universes themselvesFirestorm's suggestion is fine
For your question lastmlg, the Monitor draws power from positive matter universes. Don't know if he draws infinite power from each one though.
Which issue retcons Anti-Monitor power above 5-D imps?Yes, but we cannot use retroactive continuity. The Thunderbolt was established as much stronger than the Spectre first 13 years afterwards. Back then it wasn't as powerful.
Also, The Anti-Monitor was recently retconned as being much stronger than 5-dimensional imps, who in turn had been established as much stronger than The Spectre in other stories, so we would end up with nonsensical contradictory scaling as a result.
Tbf in most Post Crisis stories, Imps have only shown to be superior to a bounded Spectre because in one instance The Spectre while unbounded effortlessly defeated Thunderbolt and unintentionally depowered Mxyzptlk when he destroyed magic.Also, The Anti-Monitor was recently retconned as being much stronger than 5-dimensional imps, who in turn had been established as much stronger than The Spectre in other stories.
I think you may have interpreted his comment in reverse, but to he clear: He is saying that relatively recently Anti Monitors was placed above 5D impsWhich issue retcons Anti-Monitor power above 5-D imps?
My question is from which issue does he draw that conclusion?I think you may have interpreted his comment in reverse, but to he clear: He is saying that relatively recently Anti Monitors was placed above 5D imps
Okay, got it. I don't recall the specific issue, but AM's brother World Forger speaks at one point about "assigning" a 5D Imp, showing their superiority.My question is from which issue does he draw that conclusion?
Justice League 2018 Sixth Dimension arc which ran from #19 to #29 (with some issues focusing on something else).My question is from which issue does he draw that conclusion?
I suppose that could make sense, yes. However, it may also just be the writers being inconsistent. It seems like an uncertain case.Tbf in most Post Crisis stories, Imps have only shown to be superior to a bounded Spectre because in one instance The Spectre while unbounded effortlessly defeated Thunderbolt and unintentionally depowered Mxyzptlk when he destroyed magic.
So IMO, saying Unbound Spectre>Imps>=bounded Spectre makes sense from portrayal
Anyway, do the other knowledgeable members here have any comments about this?So if I understand.
COIE Anti-Monitor: At least 2-C, higher with Expanding Antimatter Universe and absorbing energy, 2-A With Anti-Matter Wave 2-A. 2-A absorbing expanded Anti-Matter Universe and 50 Heroes
Rebirth Key/In-Multiverse Brothers three: At least 2-C
This should apply to Barbatos and the Omega Titans as well.
It fought diminished Perpetua, right? I think it should still be Low 1-C.What should we do with the Ultra-Monitor? Should he scale to the in-multiverse Brothers three or remain Low 1-C?
Yeah but she was much weaker.It fought diminished Perpetua, right? I think it should still be Low 1-C.
In that case, how about ‘At least 2-C, possibly Low 1-C?’Yeah but she was much weaker.
Maybe another key since she was weaker until the end of JL #34.In that case, how about ‘At least 2-C, possibly Low 1-C?’
Rebirth Anti-Monitor will be 2-C since he should be comparable to base Coie Anti-Monitor.I prefer separating COIE and Rebirth stats due to writer staff and intent.