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I do appreciate the lengthy explanation though that I “totally” read.
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DC Comics: Acausality revisions
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Even though they don't "fully scale" to their realms as you said, they share a common level of existence as their realms, so it doesn't really matter at this point.
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I get that point. All I'm saying is when in case of extreme examples that only reference the realms. We can't apply that to the residents.
Like say destroying the Fifth Dimension would destroy the Multiverse. We can't just say all Impa can just easily destroy the Multiverse because they are 5D beings.
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Just to be clear, I agree that some characters shouldn't scale to their realms or that others shouldn't fully scale to their realms, this is very true, but they still have a level of existence beyond the material world and, by definition, similar to their realms even if they do not fully scale to them.
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We're going in circles because I already did acknowledge your point as true. I'm referring to when we can't specifically.
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Well, Morrison's Crisis Times Five storyline clearly depicts the Imps' superiority to the 3D world and how they perceive 3D as well.
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That's not the point. Let's just move to a different topic and focus more on this thread contents.
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Well, I do not understand what do you mean then. Regardless, I stand by my position that type 1 would be enough for them instead of type 4.
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I agree with Type 1. The point was as I mentioned. Those “extreme examples” when we can't use realms scaling with the characters.
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I still don't really understand why this causes problems, but let's save the topic for another time.
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You could replace TGDs AC4 with AC5, considering it is accepted as existing beyond the Source, which is the prime mover of all things.
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This is off-topic but I feel like the explanation of type 4 Acausality should be edited a bit to further clarify that it applies to anomalies or weirdness of Causality, because the way the description is currently implies that one can obtain it by operating on a different system of cause and effect, as if a higher-dimensional being is operating on systems different from ours by vitue of transcending them, which is not necessarily the exact requirement for type 4.
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We need more than that. That's sublime at best and we don't know where the Source is positioned unless we say Source = Light.
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@IdiosyncraticLawyer what are the conclusions so far and what's your thoughts for type 1?
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Okay, I just realized I made a severe mistake when drafting the OP. The Monitor brothers actually have Type 2 acausality at the moment, not Type 4, which is what I intended to remove.
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That is alright with me.
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Isn't Great Darkness's nature above Lucifer's nature in terms of acausality? It is probably the current justification that is bad, and I think it is outside the reach of Destiny which can make type 4 acausality still valid.
- Acausality (Type 4; Yahweh's plan is stated to have been an all-encompassing "scheme" which contains all of creation,[12] with Destiny of the Endless having described events such as Michael's arrival at his home as all a part of this "scheme"[13] and Destiny having been the source of cause and effect in Yahweh's cosmos.[14] Lucifer specifically is described as having escaped his function from the scheme and as such the causality of it[1] )
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They were identified as the same being in a recent comic. But it depends on which cosmology is being considered.
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The Great Darkness's profile doesn't have a Vertigo section yet. We're only dealing with the Crisis Cosmology here.
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Fifth-dimension realm beyond concpt of time and space, beyond 5dimensional space
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Not helpful.
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Is the 5th dimension, if it is beyond the concepts of space and time, at tier 1A? in future tiering system updates?
Btw, 5th dimension beyond the map
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It’s not. It’s literally explained it’s of the Multiverse.
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Yes, you can't deny it, Mr Mxy clearly said that if the multiverse is the 4th dimension, the 5th dimension is not on the map because it only exists in the 6th dimension and the databook makes it clear again, 5 dimensions are outside the multiverse
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Type 4, outside the book of destiny in the multiverse
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No. You are making no coherent case.
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That’s not what was being said. It’s said the dimensions of the Multiverse because it has both time and space which is 4D.
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Can you join my thread? Want me to explain?
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No because the scan itself explains it.
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No? The Fifth Dimension should not be 1-A and does not truly transcend the concept of space-time, even the Sphere of the Gods and the Sixth Dimension does not completely transcend time as a concept, only the 4-dimensional axis of the universes, this is why most beings there are unaffected by the crises and still remember past iterations of the multiverse.
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Type 4 is for anomalies or weirdness of causality and Destiny's book holding the contents of the map of the multiverse was a metaphor and shouldn't be taken literally. Type 1 for the Monitor Brothers in their true state (sixth-dimensional) makes more sense to me.
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Just come in, don't be shy, DC has explained that there are point dimensions, length, height and width, as well as depth.
This case is different from what Mr Mxy explained at the 2018 JLA event.
It is not a dimensional axis but a layers of existence
The line is one dimensional space
This case is different from what Mr Mxy explained at the 2018 JLA event.
It is not a dimensional axis but a layers of existence
But you don't understand the explanation, is the 2nd dimension a line? Means there is no width and height [2-dimensional space] in dc?
The line is one dimensional space
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I'm going to report you if you keep acting arrogant and without any real basis.
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You can ignore that and just read the scans as Mxy explains what the Fifth and Sixth Dimensions proximity are in the Multiverse. He says they’re both in it as layers that surround the Multiverse before the Source Wall. As the Fifth Dimension is the lifeblood of the Multiverse and the Sixth is the Multiversal penthouse at the top before the Promethean Galaxy/Source Wall.
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okay, I understand
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This is not the place to discuss that, but source-wall exist at every level of realities, even the 6th dimension is covered by source-wall
The multiverse is a ball
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