"I don't think that Grant Morrison's interview statement slightly implying that the Presence, the Overvoid, and the Source are the same being is enough evidence to say they are. He actually doesn't even say they are, he says different beings in DC have different things that they believe to be akin to a monotheistic God, the Monitors believing the Overvoid, the New Gods believing the Source, and the humans believing the Presence. They're not only typically portrayed as different beings, as well as the evidence for them being weak [I.e., the one of the Over-Monitor saying the Source is the "Prime Monitor". Monitor-Mind the Overvoid has never been referred to as the Prime Monitor, only the Primal Monitor, which Prime and Primal mean two very different things."
I can't tell if this post was meant to be sarcastic due to how faulty it is
Firstly, Yes,
The Overvoid was stated to be The Overmonitor in FC. Which already debunks where you are going with this but sure.
He doesn't directly say that, if you look at this scan, he quite literally refers to the Presence or the Source as "God" and then quite literally says that the Void itself is God, which clearly shows the notion that all 3 beings are meant to be the same, singular entity. God.
You'd have to prove that the term "Prime" and "Primal" are referring to entirely different entities here as nothing suggests it, and Dax novu himself was already referred to as the
"Proto Monitor" which would automatically disclude him from being the one referred to
. This scan still stands, The Monitors are referring to the Overmonitor and The Source being the same.
Now, Here is where I really think you messed up with.
"There is also the comic where the Spectre goes into the Source and gives the implication that the Source is God, but that is moreover because the Spectre's narrative at the time is that he is travelling pantheons to learn the nature of God, and this was the New Gods' interpretation of God]. "
He wasn't trying to learn the nature of God, He was simply trying to find God as he was missing from heaven, hell and purgatory.
He quite literally states the fact that he thinks that the Source is a aspect of Michael, which obviously wouldn't be something he would question if he is trying to learn about God's nature. I'd also like to add how he asks the Source where God is which already implies he isn't aware of God being the Source.
In that same comic he literally got the power of God from the Source itself, which already debunks whatever you are trying to prove here.
"They also consistently are portrayed as having different levels of power. The Source is a very down to Earth source of power, being fully harnessed by beings such as those who wield the Quintessence"
There is literally nothing which suggests this in any comic,
The Quintessence themselves were already stomped by the spectre, Emperor Joker, Unbound Spectre durings days of vengeance, etc.
" Mister Miracle in Death of the New Gods "
Using MM in Death of the New Gods is extremely faulty, firstly, in that comic we know that all of it was merely the ploy of the Source itself.
When he gave Orion the Soulfire amp with a mere thought,
and literally implies directly he intended for SF darkseid to "beat" him in this scan. And This was clearly a mere avatar of the Source,
As the true Source itself exists beyond the boundaries of the entire cosmology and the source wall, a formless, boundless infinity.
" Highfather becoming the Source after dying "
This has been currently retconned in
Shazam, Darkseid Wars, Where when any God dies, they merely go to the Source to be reincarnated, and there are literally only 2 instances of what you said being stated in Comics, one of them comes from a old ass takion comic aswell. The Other being a superman illogical fest.
" and the several times Darkseid threatened the Source and even fought it. "
Firstly, The Classic Darkseid True Form feats have been retconned to having no true form and only exist as living ideas in FC (I don't need to show the scan as you already know what I am talking about.) |There is also the fact that Darkseid himself has been imprisoned in the source wall before]], and him having to use avatars and a shitton of prep equipment to break out.
There is also the fact that The Unbound Spectre who merged with the Logoz, which is a mere part of God,
Wascapable of killing Darkseid on Apokolips, and you already have said that Darkseid On Apokolips is the true form of Darkseid regardless, so you'd be commiting mala fides by trying to refute this specific point. This is also the same Spectre who couldn't comprehend the Source.
>Maggedon You mean the guy who got beat by Superman (after superman absorbed the supposed power of anti suns he had, so much for someone beyond the source, and was getting harmed by beings way below 1-A.
true form brainiac never went beyond the source, he just went beyond the source wall which was supposed to represnt the barrier between universes in that story (shown by him stating he broke into the multiverse when he went beyond the wall and how this interpretation was already shown in SBP comics.)
'the examples are endless" funny you bring up the term "endless" as dream's realm is where every single God is born (and he is obviously below the source.)
"The Presence is always superior in stories, often portrayed as even being able to hold the Source in his hand. Beings who deal with it and threaten it are never on his level, really."
The Presence is God, God is meant to be above all, I don't even need to explain how "no shit" this point is, and no, he was never portrayed to be able to hold the Source,
When Chronos broke into heaven and wanted to get the power of the Source, he said that it is the power of the presence, which I again don't have to explain.
The Overvoid encompasses the source within it but that really doesn't even mean much, them being seperated doesn't prove anything, the notion here is that they are aspects of the same being, not that they are the same exact being.
Here is a statement from Grant himself confirming this.
There is also the fact in Day of judgement #3, When Wonder Man, Zauriel and friends go to Heaven to reach Jim Corrigan,
WM states that he feels "The Source" beyond the gates of heaven, and then Michael explains that' where God is chillin and planning everything.
I really don't care for the Milkman stuff considering the fact the whole story isn't meant to be something taken that seriously and imo shouldn't be used for scaling as
1. It butchers the scaling to a pretty huge point to the point where it can't really be applied
2. Characters like Swamp thing have been shown of being capable of overthrowing the retcon corps so it really isn't that consistent.
3. Milk wars applies lots of shit should be 1-A (which they shouldn't, I think this basically falls under 1.)
