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Noted.
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Divine Creator (Marvel Comics) Profile
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I trust Demattis, but I don't understand beyond level 1-A, so idk its 0 or High 1-A. However, this character is definitely stronger than TOAA, so yea.
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Yeah, I think there’s enough people agreeing to separate the profile. All that’s needed is a sandbox for the character.
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So far everyone agrees to a separate profile. The only issue is J.M. DeMatteis and what to do the his pseudo-canon to link it to the wider Marvelverse or to separate it.
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I don't see a good reason to seperate then out. They still hold mostly the same role and I don't see enough of a difference between the two versions to require some split at the moment.
If outvoted then it would probably be Tier 0 for being a Monad or whatever Ultima was talking about.
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There is especially with how Ewing treated the One Above All. Matteis favors Hinduism over Kabbalah and there’s a difference between both Adam in the story. Divine Creator has only been mentioned during his writings and literally is based off something that Ewing did not intend.
They’re not the same thing and they never truly were. We decided to stick the notion that God means God that adheres to the logic: Divine Creator = TOAA which is a pretty weak reasoning.
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I second this, but even Ewing states that his words should be taken with a grain of salt.
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I mentioned “every” author has stated this. What’s been printed matters.
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Perhaps, I wouldn’t be against such notion.
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Yeah, because most of his ideas contradict what is currently being said, but not all, but at least some major aspects of his interpretation.
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Not only that, but his ideology isn't necessarily used or even matches with that of other Marvel writers. Not to mention that including DeMatteis's interpretation in the composite Marvel Cosmology creates inaccurate tiers and more confusion than anything else. This way, DeMatteis' works would not be discredited and we will avoid a lot of confusion.
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Let’s see what others think of this pressing issue.
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Error 404.
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It’s from Strange Tales #2 where the Book of Creation features the Divine Creator making duality and the Void is simply its Unconscious.
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This is the monster of all bumps and I apologize for that, but I'm 100% on board with what Elizio is stating. As someone that has been analyzing the Strange Tales / Fallen Stars line of comics since I first appeared on Vsbattles years back, DeMatteis' view on the cosmology is completely different in comparison to anything the other writers have come up with, especially on his views of God which is fully intended to be his own (and everyone's) interpretation of God based on several statements and interviews.
I'd normally say the issue is where exactly to take the cosmology once we separate it, but we already know where we're tiering God thanks to Ultima, and considering how the cosmology is set up with God both literally being everyone and everything in the setting and being both the Dreamer and the Dream itself, we should have a pretty good idea of where the Cosmology inevitably ends up.
I'd normally say the issue is where exactly to take the cosmology once we separate it, but we already know where we're tiering God thanks to Ultima, and considering how the cosmology is set up with God both literally being everyone and everything in the setting and being both the Dreamer and the Dream itself, we should have a pretty good idea of where the Cosmology inevitably ends up.
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I, indeed, will create a sandbox.
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However, I’m discussing things with Ultima, so I will wait after the revision.
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Out of curiosity, is the Divine Creator going to fit into the Cosmology as the theoretical power above TOAA that was mentioned in the Defenders Comics?
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I doubt it since the concept was Hindu while Defenders is Kabbalah. Though Brahman and Ein Sof share similarities at the top of their respective belief. I doubt Ewing was referring to the Divine Creator. Nevertheless, I believe the entity easily surpasses the One Above All.
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The imgur links don't appear to be working. Can you list the comic and issue numbers with the associated scan in the OP?
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Strange Tales #2 as I mentioned.
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The entity only appeared in 1 comic?
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It appears in Strange Tales, Man-Thing, and Doctor Strange: Into Shamballa, and is indirectly mentioned within other Matteis stories. Anytime a story of his includes the Dream/Creation and the Dreamer/God.
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As Goofy said, You can technically feasibly imply Divine Creator , Seeker's God, and Divine Presence are the same God, as DeMatteis stated every time he mentions God/Creator in his stories he is referring to the same God:
"Anytime I mention God/Creator in my stories, I'm referring to God. Not a fictional character, but God. And your interpretation of that depends on your personal vision of God" (Yes I memorized it).
"Anytime I mention God/Creator in my stories, I'm referring to God. Not a fictional character, but God. And your interpretation of that depends on your personal vision of God" (Yes I memorized it).
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This thread is beyond FAX, I agree with op
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Eilizo agreed, we just wait on Firestorm take on the subject.
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If there is a consensus on there being distinct beings, I won't mind.
However, I recall this character being a candidate for Tier 0, so we would have to wait for the standards to be finalized before anything gets reviewed.
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Consensus seems to favor me(Obviously, for good reasons). Thus, after Ultima revision, we can apply changes.
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