Some abstract entities should be 1-A+, but the Omniverse itself should still be classified as H1-A, as Universal-Eternities (1-A+) are merely cells within the Omniverse/Eternity, which is too vast and varied to be scaled as 1-A+. The Omniverse should remain H1-A because it contains many distinct 1-A+ realms and entities within it.
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The White Hot Room should still be H1-A, as it represents all things and all places. It is the plane where the creativity exists, and part of it functions as the 'White Paper' for the creations/stories. Even the Beyonder, a being of immense power, views the higher planes of existence (such as the White Hot Room and the Abyss) as a Multiverse.
The House of Ideas and TOAA should be considered H1-A+ rather than just H1-A , as he's above all plane of existence.
Question the Definition of “Canon”
Really? I thought that it happened afterwards, which did not make any thematic sense whatsoever, but I thought that it was just horrible quality and extremely biased writing.
This place isn't to voice your concern about canon. If you think otherwise then make a CRT yourselves.
Being a “merely a cell” is quantitative. The comparison between 1-A to High 1-A isn't size-based. Anymore than how each layer of 1-A is more conceptualized or invoked R>F and High 1-A separate itself as an entirely different framework. None of those meet the qualifications.
None of that is High 1-A. We don't use voids as a basis for High 1-A without any further context. What you said isn't really High 1-A since some Abstracts can survive in the Void for a short while instead of being inaccessible to them.
Still part of the same hierarchy.
No.
As I mentioned, the Omniverse encompasses many layers- many planes of existence, including Abstract Entities, Eternities, Mystic Realms, the Megaverse (Multiverses within Multiverses), the Far Shore, and the Neutral Zone. These are all aspects of the larger Omniverse, each existing within its own hierarchical layers, with various high-level layers. Therefore, I don't believe the Omniverse should be classified as Outerverse-level, as it contains all of these (1-A+) layers.
A high-level plane of existence like the House of Ideas is classified as H1-A, and yet any being can still enter it.
Ok, agree.
Yeah, that's not what makes them qualitative in nature unless you have some scans showing it.
That would be more of a disqualifier that the House isn't High 1-A then upgrading the previous realms. However, they weren't randomly just taken to any of those realms without reason.
The concept of the Omniverse is far more complex than just being classified as 1-A+. In reality, it exists within a vast hierarchy of planes of existence, with each plane representing a different layer of reality. For instance, Earth-616 is a fictional universe within the larger construct of Eternity's eternal imagination with all realities being narratives and dreams of Eternity. The Astral Plane is a higher frequency of reality, unbound by time or space, representing the realm of Ideas, Thoughts, and Narratives, while serving as a foundational layer of Earth-616's existence. Furthermore, the World Pool is a realm containing various comic books, each representing different possibilities and realities that lie within the Nexus. These realms, including the Superflow and the Neutral Zone, are part of an even larger, interconnected structure that exists beneath the Omniverse. So the Omniverse should be considered as H1-A, not just 1-A+, reflecting its vastness and complexity within a greater, multi-layered hierarchy of existence.
No. Just no.
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Sorry- I've already fixed that.
My point is the concept of the Omniverse is far more intricate than simply being categorized as 1-A+. The realities within the Omniverse form a vast hierarchy of planes of existence, where each plane represents a distinct layer of reality , dream and narrative . As such, the Omniverse should be classified as H1-A, rather than 1-A+, to better reflect its immense complexity and its position within a greater, multi-tiered hierarchy of 1-A existence.
These comic books represent entire realities, and my point is that these exist within a larger and higher plane of existence “ the Omniverse ”.
Yeah, I've checked the scans, and only the “dream” things seem like a case. However, I said it before that's all the same transcendence which would only gain a few layers as oppose to grant an entirely different tier.
A reality being smaller than another higher one without any R>F isn't 1-A.
Realities are Eternities.
Earth-616 I recall is 1-A due to containing the Astral Plane. Which at that point I don't know where the baseline level of existence comes from, but in other instances this could catapult someone to High 1-A. In this instance, it is not an entirely different plane beyond the notion of quality transendence which Gwenpool follows as well. Unless, you're telling me Gwen scales to the One Above All which cannot suffice everyone to go up in tier because there's no logical coherence in that.
Didn't we discuss this? That's only granting an additional layer. You would provide all of the higher realms share the same quality.
Beyond space-time only with qualitative transcendence whether through conceptuality or R>F is 1-A. Being “layered” isn't indicative of that.
I thought that a 1-A reality, which is perceived as fictional by higher-dimensional beings, would make Omniverse H1-A.
Ok
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What I’m trying to say is, whatever Ultima thinks, I think the same.
If Ultima awakens from his slumber to disagree then he can. The point is to take that subject matter somewhere else.
