2A (Possibly L1C) Devil May Cry - A relevant closer to a CRT

[SuperSonicTL]

i'll preface by saying i'm not all that familiar on tier 2, BUT
i don't know if "could contain infinite worlds" is sufficient for 2-A
the tiering system page is pretty explicit about the fact that characters have to actually significantly affect countably infinite separate space-time continuums, would it not only scale to however many are actually contained within the structure?

What would you suggest, then? The franchise explicitly implies that the Demon World contains multiple realms within it, yet considers them insignificant compared to its overall scope. Additionally, it's described as spatially infinite as a structure, a container, especially in consideration of these same infinite sized worlds in comparison that are as different as light and darkness to one another.

My current suggestion is to label it as 2-A, with a possible rating of Low 1-C as a consideration. I believe this approach is reasonable enough either way. There is no middle ground here aside from these two tiers as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Robo432343]

disagree with hasty FRA

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Regarding possibly Low 1-C, even if a structure is infinite x 2-A, wouldn't it still be 2-A? From the FAQ.

Q: Is a structure bigger than a 2-A structure Low 1-C by default?​

No, the default assumption is that this is not the case. "Bigger" could mean having more 2-A structures and, as explained in greater detail previously, having more 2-A structures, or even infinitely many 2-A structures, unless uncountably infinitely many, won't be above a single 2-A structure in size. This is due to these structures actually having the same size as a baseline 2-A structure.

Or am I understanding something wrong?

With 2-A I can see, although I remember a crt talking about the patterns of structures that contain others, but I don't remember what her conclusion was.

 

[SYPHe5D]

disagree with hasty FRA

Cook

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Regarding possibly Low 1-C, even if a structure is infinite x 2-A, wouldn't it still be 2-A? From the FAQ.

Or am I understanding something wrong?

With 2-A I can see, although I remember a crt talking about the patterns of structures that contain others, but I don't remember what her conclusion was.

The concept of Low 1-C revolves around the idea that the Demon World is fundamentally superior in scope to the worlds below it. For these lower worlds, the Demon World exists beyond their comprehension or relevance, whether those worlds are finite or infinite. This suggests at least an insignificantly 5-dimensional space for the Demon World under typical conditions, as many examples on the wiki support. Additionally, there is a scan that explicitly compares the Human World and Demon World as lower and higher realms, underscoring the qualitative difference between these two worlds. Given that the Demon World is described as infinite, it’s reasonable to argue that this 5D axis achieves full significance, effectively bypassing usual restrictions and allowing it to qualify as a fully realized Low 1-C dimension.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

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[Qawsedf234]

I know this topic comes up a lot, but to be completely safe I'd like your opinion on this.

I can see 2-A (though the evidence is weak). Low 1-C doesn't have enough solid backing in my mind and I think 2-C is overall more solid as a rating.

But for a compromise 2-A is probably fine.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I can see 2-A (though the evidence is weak). Low 1-C doesn't have enough solid backing in my mind and I think 2-C is overall more solid as a rating.

But for a compromise 2-A is probably fine.

I understand your perspective, but as a middle ground, could we at least consider a "possibly Low 1-C" rating here? The Demon World does seem to have enough evidence to support this idea. It regards the realms within it as insignificant, and there are references to those realms being "lower" in comparison to it. This would suggest the presence of at least an insignificant 5-dimensional axis. Since the Demon World itself is depicted as infinite, this should scale to that 5D axis, rendering it fully significant. This interpretation aligns well with the way the wiki typically treats Low 1-C tiers, in my opinion.

 

[Qawsedf234]

could we at least consider a "possibly Low 1-C" rating here?

For me, no.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

For me, no.

Understandable.

 

[SeijiSetto]

What would you suggest, then?

[...] only scale to however many [separate space-time continuums] are actually contained within the structure?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

[...] only scale to however many [separate space-time continuums] are actually contained within the structure?

Not exactly. The concept is similar, but the approach differs—though it ultimately achieves the same outcome.