2 vs 2 The Tag Team Championship Tournament: The Psychic Cleaners vs The Demon and the Spider

[DontTalkDT]

There’s also the fact that Baki has endorphins that amp him 4 to 5 times

So, about that... doesn't that amp him past 12kJ? I.e. into Wall level territory?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Baki looks at Kenny and does his wrestling moves better

...

 

[Pikaman]

Oh right, Spidey also has precog, huh

Isn’t Spider-Sense like not really all that great Precog, they still get hit all the time

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So, about that... doesn't that amp him past 12kJ? I.e. into Wall level territory?

Then he can't amp himself past 12 KJ.

 

[Pikaman]

So, about that... doesn't that amp him past 12kJ? I.e. into Wall level territory?

If it’s a specific action that amps them out of the tier then we can just restrict it no worries

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Isn’t Spider-Sense like not really all that great Precog, they still get hit all the time

From what I get, the Spidey-Sense relies on the users speed as well? Eh, I dont know, it might be different for MTV. I'd have to rewatch it.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

So, about that... doesn't that amp him past 12kJ? I.e. into Wall level territory?

As a child the only way Baki can activate them is in near death Scenarios.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Just gonna mention I'm going out for dinner, so hopefully this doesn't get too hectic

 

[DontTalkDT]

As a child the only way Baki can activate them is in near death Scenarios.

So... is that a yes? Because if it goes into Wall level I think it might get restricted (although that's ultimately up to the organizers)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Just gonna mention I'm going out for dinner, so hopefully this doesn't get too hectic

It's going to become hectic, especially when it comes to Kenny vs Baki.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Just gonna mention I'm going out for dinner, so hopefully this doesn't get too hectic

damn I’m going to the gym so where both gonna be gone

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So... is that a yes? Because if it goes into Wall level I think it might get restricted (although that's ultimately up to the organizers)

It most likely will get restricted.

 

[DemonicDude]

Is Baki skilled = Yes obviously but....

Someone learning martial art at a young age does not make them instantly genius, It's something that can be learned, Albeit with difficultly but it can be.
Infact childern if taught can learn fighting styles and even do Body building
so the word "Impossible" being used is what I disagree with,
Is it hard yes obviously but not impossible.

Kenny is also self learned, infact his entire career is him starting out to be self learned before he went on and meet Karate tournament winner Kota Ibushi and got into MMA.
This guy before he even became a wrestler, Held his own against some of the finest MMA and UFC Fighters

• Kenny became a martial artists holding the following record as Omega held his own against MMA legend Dan "The Beast" Severn and UFC as well as boxing champion Travis Fulton)

Baki looks at Kenny and does his wrestling moves better

Excepts Omega doesn't just use Wrestling at all. He is a figher.
He is someone who combines various arts and styles of fighting and is very precise.

Kenny Omega's fighting style revolves around him combining mixed martial arts, kick boxing, karate, grapple and catch Wrestling as well as Lucha Libre combat fighting moves into one and deliver fast paced strikes at the back of the neck knocking out opponents and his agility to drop people on their skull, When fight get's close quarters He uses martial arts Open-hand strikes to harm the enemies between the neck and shoulder blades as well as increase his speed to the point he can dodge strikes from MMA fighter Kushida.

MMA is nothing new to Kenny who decades ago before even becoming a pro wrestler held his own against MMA Fighters and with time has now claimed the title of "The greatest professional wrestler of all time" as well as "The God of Professional Wrestling" which is 100 canon is verse.

You ARE NOT facing random wrestler who grapples people this is master strategist and it makes me sad that I have to mention things which can easily be understood by reading profiles, This is a fight and will be treated as such omega will try to use his pressure points to knock Baki out and use him Terminator powers to overpower Baki, Baki is skilled yes but Omega is also not only skilled but excellent fighter with various fighting styles which I'm about to go over.

Kenny has defeated MMA Legends and best pro wrestler who uses real life shooting style of wrestling.

Omega has trained in NJPW dojo. Omega defeated the likes of Minoru Suzuki who is the originator of MMA & founder the Pancrase martial arts Promotion and an NJPW legend feared by everyone in the company who defeated Ken Shamrock via submission yet lost to kenny in first time ever match which shocked the commentators,

Watch this to know how good Minoru Suzuki is not even in his prime decades ago

Kenny even knocked him out on several occasions as well as match him with his martial arts combat. Omega was able to have a 60 minute draw against Okada at Dominion 6.11 event in 2017, Omega then went on to defeat Kazuchika Okada and ended his 720 days of record World championship reign in a 1:04:50 minutes fight at Dominion 6.9 event in 2018. Omega faced Bryan Danielson who is regarded as a submission specialist and their match ended in a 30 minute draw, Kenny and his long time friend Kota Ibushi were a top NJPW tag team as "Golden☆Lovers" before he broke up and became the leader of the "Bullet Club" since then he's been in a rivalry with his friend Kota who can match him in combat for well over 30 minutes, Kota is both a Martial artist and a Karate tournament winner and as of 2022 IWGP World Heavyweight Champion as well as the trainer of Kenny for over a decade. Kenny Omega was able to held his own against the legend Katsuyori Shibata one of the most dangerous NJPW superstar who is a MMA fighter and a professional kickboxer who can TKO opponents in 9 seconds and is infamously known to cause skull splitting injuries in real life and nearly killed himself.

Infact this isn't a wrestling match at all, Kenny Omega is a cyborg who can copy people fighting techniques.

• Power Mimicry (Copied Okada's moves against him and copies enemy fighting style as he copied John Moxley's moveset and defeated his opponent using it)

Omega can just Teleport to avoid hits or use his Accelerated Development to dodge. He is a cyborg and has Camera installed on his eyes and Homing Target will keep Lock on him. Baki can't even escape Omega's view

After which Kenny can use DOZENS of ways to finish him:

• Omega can dodge or teleport to avoid and on top of all this "The FlashMan Time Stop" is a move uses by Kenny Omega
• (Omega can freeze his enemies when he says the word "Stop" or make the stop sign with his hands)
• Pressure Points: Omega can split open his skull and break his Jaw with The V-Trigger.

(Finishing moves in wrestling tend to do more damage than normal moves and can knock people out with enough force)

• Omega can cut Baki open with Invisible chainsaw while he's frozen
• Omega can then give Baki Poision juice which he used to Murder his friend Adam Cole (which works in seconds)
• Kenny can Electrocute him via his cyborgzation powers, hit him with an Exploding Barbed wire bat to stun him only to Hit him with V-Trigger or One Winged Angel

 

[Pikaman]

So… I’m a go out on a whim and say Kenny takes the 9-C battle….

With Junko and Spidey so close, I think I’ll vote The Psychic Cleaners

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Baki has learn every single martial arts in the world just like his father Yujiro but in his own free form fighting style that lets him mimic his opponents fighting style, that exudes a passive presence being better and stronger then his opponents style.

There are Numerous examples of Baki doing this as he can literally identifies entire an opponent “flow” and mimic it.

Also like Baki has the AP advantage and dura neg moves(Benda whips, Bitting, etc) Baki being fighting people just as if not more skilled than Kenny, he has nothing I’ve seen that makes him beat Baki in a match

 

[NotoriouSoda]

So… I’m a go out on a whim and say Kenny takes the 9-C battle….

With Junko and Spidey so close, I think I’ll vote The Psychic Cleaners

Bruh tf I didn’t even get my arguments out

 

[Pikaman]

Bruh tf I didn’t even get my arguments out

Ok ok sorry I’ll hold my vote lol

 

[Pikaman]

dura neg moves(Benda whips, Bitting, etc)

He has what

 

[NotoriouSoda]

He has what

Benda whips dura neg and cause the opponent to suffer in pain. And bitting in the Baki verse dura negs

 

[Pikaman]

Benda whips dura neg and cause the opponent to suffer in pain. And bitting in the Baki verse dura negs

ah so it’s not “your dead irrespective of Dura” dura neg it’s “this is gonna hurt irrespective of Dura” dura neg, cool, defo will be an issue for Kenny

 

[DemonicDude]

Lucha Libre and Catch Wrestling is not martial art but okay, Omega has Acclerated Development and in close quarter combat can dodge fast paced open palm strike between the neck, As far as Skill goes its 50/50.
You are having Baki aka the one of the best fighter on Earth vs Kenny Omega the greatest professional wrestler on Earth
two absolute masters in their own verse.

Wrestlers on average Mimic in combat, Mimicing Omega is only going to delay the inevitable, He can not mimic superpowers or invisible chainsaw or Time Stop.
This can easily be dodged via AC or Teleporting or Flashman's timestomp

Let's just say even if it hits, This is not going to take Omega out. (At best he will switch to plan B or using Teleport +V-Trigger combo)

• Immense Pain Tolerance (Survived exploding barbwire match, Went through several mouse traps and having his chainsaw used in his groin, Going head first into a glass table being launched on a wooden table and jumping tombstone piledrivers along with chair shot on the head with full force. Omega was able to get up seconds later after being dropped on his head on the sharp wired table with a piledriver, Having him dropped head frist on sharp barbed wired exploding table and being dumped into a pile of wiring bed. Omega was able to survive Chris Jericho's Walls of Jericho, Lion tamer as well as Code breaker and defeated him)

And on top of this incredible Pain Toleranace he has a very strong will, Omega is a dirty player and a murderer who refuses to listen to others.

• Omega convinced Cody Rhodes and tag team champions Young Bucks to murder Adam Cole with poison juice after becoming the leader of the group resulting in Cole's death. Kenny has a very strong will he was assaulted by Cody Rhodes who is very influential wrestler. Who gave order to the Bullet Club members to savagely attack Kota Ibushi to which they all agreed however Kenny refuses despite knowing that him not following the orders of the villainous group is gonna result in him being kicked but he refuses to get convinced by others

At best this will give Omega injuries which he goes through all the time and it's not on the extreme levels of Pain Kenny has went through, Also Kenny is higher with V-Trigger his hits are going to keep on stacking and with additional cyborg powers on top he will with difficulty take this.

 

[Pikaman]

he has nothing I’ve seen that makes him beat Baki in a match

I mean, homing attacks make dodging nigh-impossible, time stop is a free hit, chainsaw will deal severe damage, idk if teleportation is combat applicable but if it is it makes hitting Kenny very tricky. Baki is an incredibly skilled and powerful martial artist but there’s just too much supernatural stuff going on here lol

 

[NotoriouSoda]

ah so it’s not “your dead irrespective of Dura” dura neg it’s “this is gonna hurt irrespective of Dura” dura neg, cool, defo will be an issue for Kenny

I mean not really I haven’t disputed any of my opponents point buts that’s because I really don’t need to. Baki has RPL when his fights goes on thanks to his Hanma blood which allows him to get stronger by the moment just like his father Yujiro. He’s also has precog which shuts down a lot a Kenny options since he knows what’s he gonna do along with dura neg moves. And again even with Kenny werid shit somehow does hurt or kill Baki he can just Gear 5 come back stronger and beat the shit out of Kenny.

 

[Pikaman]

He’s also has precog which shuts down a lot a Kenny options since he knows what’s he gonna do

Kenny has his own analytical prediction

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I mean, homing attacks make dodging nigh-impossible, time stop is a free hit, chainsaw will deal severe damage, idk if teleportation is combat applicable but if it is it makes hitting Kenny very tricky. Baki is an incredibly skilled and powerful martial artist but there’s just too much supernatural stuff going on here lol

Idk most of that Baki can answer with just having higher AP and stat amps tbh

Kenny has his own analytical prediction

Baki precog is different. Baki knows what your gonna do Unconsciously and before you have time to act Baki will have already strucked you with an attack.

 

[Pikaman]

stat amps tbh

We restricted his stat amps did we not?

 

[Pikaman]

Baki precog is different. Baki knows what your gonna do Unconsciously and before you have time to act Baki will have already strucked you with an attack.

They’re both analytical prediction/precog that allows them to know their opponents next move lol, also hitting your opponent before they have time to act is a speed issue and that’s equalised here

 

[Pikaman]

What even is the AP difference here?

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Oh yeah I should also say this. Doing strikes in Baki massively increase his AP and dura. Doppo while getting stomped by Yujiro who had a 8 to 10 amp had to avoid a strike from Doppo other wise it would have killed him. There’s also Retsu with his own strength couldn’t hurt Pickle but with his techniques was able to harm him. This would apply to Baki as well

 

[DemonicDude]

Baki has RPL when his fights goes on thanks to his Hanma blood which allows him to get stronger by the moment just like his father Yujiro. He’s also has precog which shuts down a lot a Kenny options since he knows what’s he gonna do along with dura neg moves.

RPL in this scans seems to refer to Combat training.
Kenny can continosuly dodge karate tournamnet winner and mma fighters in CQC, Does his Precog allow him to see the future ? only that way it would work
if not, Then it's just combat pecog
Omega hits are higher in AP hence why he hits with a harder punch

• Expert Marksmanship (Kenny uses his pressure point strike on people when they jump or leap on him in mid air on the side of the skull falling them unconscious)

Exactly my point these two are masters of their craft (I don't know where Baki in the list of best pure skill fighters is in his verse) but Omega completely peaks out the skill category of Professional Wrestling overall as a verse the hybird style of fast paced combat combined with super natural powers is what seal the deal, Also

Baki precog is different. Baki knows what your gonna do Unconsciously and before you have time to act Baki will have already strucked you with an attack.

And Kenny has Information Anlaysis and can teleport away or after taking a dura neg hit improvise because he can Immense Pain Tolerance.
And before he get's the chance Omega can just freeze him and feed him Poision juice and Kenny not only has a strong will but can fight on pure instinct
he after getting dura neg he will keep on fighting he was punching Okada on pure instinct after getting dumped on his head several times, He is not going to stop due to hits,
Baki hits does not seems to be as precise as Omega who in mid air can strike people on the side or the head falling them unconcious without missing his mark, Omega due to his own amps is just as hard to hit.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

They’re both analytical prediction/precog that allows them to know their opponents next move lol, also hitting your opponent before they have time to act is a speed issue and that’s equalised here

Nah man like that’s 0.5 seconds unconscious that’s what it does

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Also Baki has resistance to poison so that’s not gonna do anything.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Baki precog is different. Baki knows what your gonna do Unconsciously and before you have time to act Baki will have already strucked you with an attack.

Isn't it just analytic prediction? Don't think analytic prediction will work well against supernatural stuff.

 

[DemonicDude]

So... is that a yes? Because if it goes into Wall level I think it might get restricted (although that's ultimately up to the organizers)

DontTalkDT not helping in argument lol

 

[Pikaman]

Nah man like that’s 0.5 seconds unconscious that’s what it does

Idk how it is in Baki but you don’t get to knock Kenny out without a good AP advantage like that

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Also no that just one scan but it doesn’t just mean training. Hanma family just get stronger throughout the series including battles

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Idk how it is in Baki but you don’t get to knock Kenny out without a good AP advantage like that

Oh yeah I should also say this. Doing strikes in Baki massively increase his AP and dura. Doppo while getting stomped by Yujiro who had a 8 to 10 amp had to avoid a strike from Doppo other wise it would have killed him. There’s also Retsu with his own strength couldn’t hurt Pickle but with his techniques was able to harm him. This would apply to Baki as well

^

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Isn't it just analytic prediction? Don't think analytic prediction will work well against supernatural stuff.

Nah it the Baki verse it’s werid but he’s basically reading your mind which is stated to be precog. Hell in his Musashi match there literally having a precog battle

 

[Pikaman]

It can only go up to 15 KJ which is nowhere NEAR K.O. level, and Kenny has the supernatural abilities to counter BaKi’s crazy skills, which aren’t even that mad of a gap here just because of how skilled Kenny is too

 

[Pikaman]

Nah it the Baki verse it’s werid but he’s basically reading your mind which is stated to be precog. Hell in his Musashi match there literally having a precog battle

That’s worse, reading your opponents mind and knowing they’re about to whip out an invisible chainsaw, or stop time, etc. Does not help you counter those abilities