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He's probably talking about fully piercing through Yammy's shoulder, like out the other side, because we clearly see it is stuck in there.
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FKT AP and Durability Revisions [Chapters ~320-420]
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Cook this fraud called arc
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What's selective about this? Aizen is the only one he says could beat him. And that vasto lorde ichigo would be her best chance at beating him since no data on aizen existed in HM
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Yes he's stronger than them. But you said their above his ceros
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Bruh. Cien lists the moves that is higher than his ceros in base. ONCE HE TRANSFORM HE IS STRONGER THAN THEM.
Reading is hard.
Reading is hard.
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Don't be a goof ball arc. He's asking a question. Then list possible powers she could copy. Then goes on to say their fodder to him. Even base 30% cein was above yummy. How would the be even close to 100% cein with GRC. Don't kid yourself
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Literally posted multiple statements saying he's stronger than them copeWe were all expecting something like this from Reio
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Bro please change your pfp, what happen to you dawg.
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If 30% base cien is above all the Espada why would 100% cien be below them?
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No he wasn't. Cien temporarily tapped into his full power momentarily there. The non-translation summary is misleading.
Ok so I'm going to break this down very clear cut so you understand.
Cien fires 3 GRC at Roka, Roka uses Cero Doble to absorb them and spit them back at Cien which does some good damage.
Next, Roka starts to begin copying another power, and Cien starts speculating what she could be copying.
Cien is trying to guess what attack she could use against him that is stronger than the triple GRC, and he lists 3 things. Max Res Yammy, Stark's Wolves, Barragan's Respira.
Cien is saying that those attacks would be more powerful than the triple GRC.
Then, Cien enters his fully transformed state, and states that his fully transformed state and Aizen are the only people in HM stronger than those aforementioned 3 (Max Res Yammy, Stark's Wolves, Barragan's Respira).
Meaning that those aforementioned 3 (Max Res Yammy, Stark's Wolves, Barragan's Respira) are the strongest of the Espada army excluding Aizen and filly transformed Cien.
The databooks also support Yammy scaling above SE Ulq anyway with like 3-4 statements saying Yammy is the strongest and/or that he surpassed Ulquiorra.
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Only because you asked nicely.
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Post the scans
He questioned if she was going to make something more powerful.
Not really he's listing possible powers should copy. Cien during his battle with zaraki was compared to VL ichigo who cien stated is above all the espada. Which is the same cien that fired those ceros.
Cein fought a version zaraki that would no diff starrk and barrgan for hours on end. Also the same cien Roca was fighting
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Can I get the scans for SAFWY scaling.
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Ok then, it's fine with me.
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Anyway I agree with the thread so far.
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He's listing those "possible powers" under the context of him guessing what abilities she's going to bring out which are stronger than his triple ceroes. That's just blatantly implied dude.
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You're making the positive claim, you post actual translated scans that aren't an unverified summary. The onus is on you buddy.
And he listed Stark's Wolves, Respira, and Angry Res Yammy.
He's directly listing powers that would be more powerful than the attack that just failed. Also, none of Cien's attacks were working on Zaraki. Uryu also states that the combined spiritual pressure of the two raging about was similar to FH Ichigo, not that they were individually FH Ichigo level. So, Zaraki's SP + Cien's ~ FH Ichigo. And we know Cien whips out GRCs in character, and that none of his attacks could put down Zaraki. So you have no eyepatch Zaraki's SP + the SP from Cien's GRCs raging about and that is what Uryu compares to FH Ichigo. Which is far more consistent, because if fully transformed Cien (who scales massive above 3 of his GRC fused together) would struggle with FH Ichigo, or thinks FH Ichigo would even be a slight struggle, then a Cien who's way more than 30x weaker would not be an equal to that. It makes no sense for fully transformed Cien to gas up FH Ichigo's power if he's well over 30x stronger than it.
To make it easier to visual:
Cien's physicals < Cien's strongest attacks (triple GRC = at least 30x) ~ no eyepatch Zaraki < no eyepatch Zaraki + Cien's strongest attacks ~ FH Ichigo
Zaraki being above Barragan or Stark doesn't mean anything, since as I already established Cien isn't able to put Zaraki down with his GRCs anyhow. Meaning Cien is not scaling to Zaraki with his regular attacks.
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Agree with the proposal
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People still think SE Ulquiorra is the strongest espada despite the evidence debunking that claim? This is pretty solid though I agree with the thread and we need to make a profile for the Kōtotsu.
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He legit says no techniques I'm HM she could beat him
He was concerned she might be using a power that was more powerfully than his ceros because of how confident she seem confident. Him listing the only possible powers she could copy in hm doesn't correlate to that statement for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
Weaker versions of cein scale to zaraki who could shit on starrk
His base being above yammy
And him straight up stating no power she could copy would beat him
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Cien's physicals don't scale to Zaraki stop ducking and dodging my last post.
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agree but not with uryu arrows being = to yammy
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Yea this is good scaling. I'm picky with scaling but i couldn't be here it was just was spot on really. You know your shit chief
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Sure, that doesn't disprove anything since we're claiming it's only above his triple ceroes, not that it has the capabilities of killing Cien.
You're asserting it has to do with her confidence basically ratio'ing this dude into believing these abilities are stronger than his triple ceroes.....
Reio, that claim is nonsensical, it requires infinitely more assumptions to assert true compared to our claims which aren't massively assumptive and don't actively contradict known facts about the scene, unlike your claim.
Post the feats which causes those weaker versions of Cien to scale relative with Kenpachi.
His base isn't always above Yammy, read the previous scan you yourself posted. It literally says "his spiritual pressure swells up", with "swelling" implying a level of abnormal increase. He isn't always that level, it's only when his spiritual pressure swells up like that he's above Yammy. Please read the scans you posted, believing they support your interpretation when they don't.
Doesn't matter, not our claim.
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Dued what they fought for a long ass time. If he was over 30× weaker have would have got one shot instantly. You literally just said ceins GRC x3 scales below starrks Wolves. If that were the case then why would they work on Kenpachi who's even stronger SMH?
And did you not see the scan I just posted where cien says NO Techniques roka could use work on him?
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Read, I'll bold the important parts. You didn't address any of Deceived and I's refutation.
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Look good.
Not entirely sure on Uryuu fully scaling to base Yammy's dura. There is no blood but it's also clearly deep enough to remain stuck in there. shrug
Not entirely sure on Uryuu fully scaling to base Yammy's dura. There is no blood but it's also clearly deep enough to remain stuck in there. shrug
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A "possibly" or downscale, wichever is the most appropriate for those kind of scenarios.
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I can't say I agree outright with all the scaling changes proposed here, but I already know I'm not going to 'win' a debate over them and I don't have the time or passion to try preventing this, so put me down as neutral.
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Honestly i don't even see point in typing that. Since you said you don't have time nor passion. Its practically equivalent to not responding at all. Instead of some light shade just say what you disagree with
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Why else have a "neutral" section unless it is to note the people who are neutral about the CRT? Regardless of why I have my position, my position is that I'm neutral about it.
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