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Bleach Lost Agent Arc AP/Dura Revisions ft. SAFWY [Chapters ~420-480]
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I agree with everything except Bankai Ginjo being ~< FB Bankai Ichigo. FB Bankai Ichigo is >> Bankai Ginjo. The difference between the 2 is made painfully obvious when Ichigo palms his strongest attack and proceeds to 2 shot him including breaking his sword in half the second he got serious
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yea, it was made painfully clear that bankai ichigo is vastly superior to bankai ginjo
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I cant see Hikifune and Senjumaru being able to beat Azashiro, they are on the younger side of Captains and not really fighters
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So I disagree and here’s why. Ginjo’s mental state goes down right before that. At the start of the fight he’s clashing with Ichigo rather evenly, but then he starts to doubt his resolve. He’s there like “wait this man doesn’t rebuke me” and he even questions his own purpose with the “would I be like Ichigo if I were in his shoes”. And we know your mental state plays a big role in your ability to fight at full power. I agree Ichigo is superior but he isn’t so superior where a healthy minded Ginjo can’t compete.
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I cant see Hikifune and Senjumaru being able to beat Azashiro, they are on the younger side of Captains and not really fighters
I think they can make up with some other means
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CFYOW stated that Giriko made a mistake and wasn't at full power when that happened.
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Can you drop the scan?
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So then base Aizen gets a 5-B straight up? or how is that gonna work? Just from Yama possibly relative to base Aizen, I can think of that, but then Unohana >>>> 5-B Zaraki makes me think that Aizen will get it by default, via being > 5-B Unohana
I say Aizen > 5-B Unohana, cause he doesn't even take her seriously, and he's only ever scared of Yama and a hypothetical "un-nerfed" Zaraki:
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Yeah that’ll get addressed later
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Aizen isnt relative to Yama,pretty sure there is a statement saying not even Aizen is a match for the version of Yams with his Zanpakuto gone.
Only way is to upscale from Unohana
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Yeah that’ll be handled in another thread, doesn’t warrant discussion here.Aizen isnt relative to Yama,pretty sure there is a statement saying not even Aizen is a match for the version of Yams with his Zanpakuto gone.
Only way is to upscale from Unohana
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Share the same opinion as Griff and Leph with Zaraki.
Also neutral on the FB Ichigo and Bankai Ginjo discussion, I'd like to see if there's a rebuttal to the mental nerf argument. If there isn't or the opposition drops the argument then I agree with you on that.
As for everything else I agree
Also neutral on the FB Ichigo and Bankai Ginjo discussion, I'd like to see if there's a rebuttal to the mental nerf argument. If there isn't or the opposition drops the argument then I agree with you on that.
As for everything else I agree
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My arguments have no rebuttals 
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But more seriously, there’s no reason Ichigo would be holding back during their fight, as he had resolved to kill Ginjo, and Ginjo was able to briefly match Ichigo. I’m not saying Ginjo is his equal, I plan on saying Bankai Ginjo is “At most” Bankai Ichigo level. But we can’t ignore the blatant feats Ginjo has clashing with Ichigo.
/sBut more seriously, there’s no reason Ichigo would be holding back during their fight, as he had resolved to kill Ginjo, and Ginjo was able to briefly match Ichigo. I’m not saying Ginjo is his equal, I plan on saying Bankai Ginjo is “At most” Bankai Ichigo level. But we can’t ignore the blatant feats Ginjo has clashing with Ichigo.
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where's the weakness in all the character profiles saying that mental stability greatly defines the strength of the characters.
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I'm in agreement with this. Rereading the battle, it's clear that Ginjo's performance got worse when his resolve worsened. That's kind of a big part of that fightMy arguments have no rebuttals
But more seriously, there’s no reason Ichigo would be holding back during their fight, as he had resolved to kill Ginjo, and Ginjo was able to briefly match Ichigo. I’m not saying Ginjo is his equal, I plan on saying Bankai Ginjo is “At most” Bankai Ichigo level. But we can’t ignore the blatant feats Ginjo has clashing with Ichigo.
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All this is saying is that if Giriko did it properly he would have been even stronger. I don’t think it means anything to the statement I posted.
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Giriko clearly thinks he's doing it right. He isn't as strong as he thinks.
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I'm going to save updating Yamamoto for the TYBW revisions, b/c tbh I didn't mean to include him in this thread lmao, that was entirely accidental. Not that his scaling will change from what got shown in here, I just want to tackle him with Unohana, base Aizen, Kisuke, Isshin, etc.
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I'm pretty sure the op says it's not a multiplier, could be wrong
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Bleach Verse-Wide Scaling Blog
vsbattles.fandom.com
If anyone wants to peep the blog and make sure I correctly copied over the changes, that'd be great.
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Everything looks good to me.
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Shouldn’t Orihime’s keys still be At least 9-A physically since she doesn’t have any other physical feats?
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I’m gonna address low tier scaling later, you can add that if you want, but that’s why I didn’t
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Mkay. I’ll add it and then close this.
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I saw you edited Kenpachi's profile. I don't think you should do that just yet, as I think all the edits to profiles are meant to be after all the revisions are done. It looks weird otherwise
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All I did with Kenpachi was add a scrollbox to his references section, Arc did the actual stat changes.
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Oh
@Arc7Kuroi Are you sure you wanna do the stat changes this early? To me, it looks very odd, because TYBW Kenpachi suddenly goes to 6-A to High 6-A compared to his Post-SAFWY Low 5-B to 5-B tiering
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Yeah ik it looks weird, I’m fine with it, I’m moving pretty quickly anyway. Saves me from doing everything at once.
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Ight if you say so
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It lets people use 5-B Zaraki sooner too
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We about to get the TYBW revisions in two weeks-
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Probably ngl, I need to read 20 more chapters and then rewatch cour 1
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