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also pretty sure this has passed the time mark and can now be applied, of the top of my head broly dbz and goku toei would need to have their high 3-A removed, we also need someone to recalc the speed value for the dbs chars
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Dragon Ball: Finite Universe
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Not the same thing. Infinite uni was passed by a single before and was rejected multiple times before that. 3-A universe has been rejected multiple times already. I don't belive it is happening anytime soon. But you guys can do as you please. Btw I was against infinite universe from the begining due the speed scaling issues it brought.
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you just described the same situation twice
fair enough i guess
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I mean, if the OP presumed that every supporting detail towards Dragon Ball's infinite universe is a hyperbole or metaphor I could also argue that Bulma's statement was also an allegory. Since a figuration of speech as "edge of the universe" could also be a non-literal speech.
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Outlier CRT go buuurrrrr
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Why a recalc for speed? It's irrelevant with the infinite universes heck Champa and Vado's speed feat contributes to infinite by crossing space-time from universe 6 to 7 (guess someone forgot a crt about it). Simply the DBS character's speed doesn't seem to be updating with the cosmology and tiering therefore a speed recalc wouldn't be necessary at all.
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Having a centre =/= having an actual edge
A centre could be determined by the observer's spatial location and properties anyways
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So basically your conclusion is that the context of the scene means that "edge of the universe" could be a non-literal speech, while the "center" part can't. Lmfao
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He didn't say that. He said that if all those High 3A statements are hyperbole then by this stance, bulma's statement and any statement that includes a "center" or "edge" can be hyperbole too.
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This means we know it's over 1/10 the size of our own universe
I don't think you realize that this is still an absolutely massive space-time. So yes, it's 3 space-times, not 2, and will continue to be as such
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I never concluded the centre of the Universe is a literal speech
The issue is that we have proof the space-time continuum is in-fact infinite, hence, the Universe having "an edge" could and most likely, be non-literal
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The actual size of the Universe is unknown anyways... not to mention countless physicists concluded the universe as infinite
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The context of what you said, specifically the "That doesn't mean it has to be poetic, especially when it uses the actual kanji "無限" which literally means infinite." Does mean what you said bro. "You quoted me on something I never even said" There is also something called indirect quoting, which means what saying what somebody said but in different words (meaning is still the same)
Either way, the way you said it does imply that it having the Kanji of infinite somehow makes it literal.
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The High 3-A statements are "hyperbole" because the kanji used in some (not all) of them is figurative. Bulma's statement has nothing to do with that.
Space-time continuum is Tier 2 (start with Low 2-C). This thread is about an Tier 3 ranting, dude.
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Isn't Kaio realm 1/10th macroverse sized? The macroverse that includes 2 spacetimes(living world and after life). 2 spacetimes divided by 10 should still be tier 2 right? Since I have heard that you can't divide or multiply in tier 2.
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not how it works, it needs to at least be the size of the observable universe for it to count for anything in tier 2-C, that is how it is
read the title of the thread, 48hrs passed, it is accepted as not infinite anymore, since the current calc uses a model that was recently agreed as not being in scale, we now need a re calc of it
going from one space time to another is dimensional travel and not speed at all, recent changes made sure of that
it is updating, if the current calc is no longer acceptable
anyway, @JustANormalLemon actually made a recalc here https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-universe-crt.150545/post-5553407
so we just have to implement this speed to the current scaling and we are good to go
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if the spatial 3D size is not universal in size, then it doesn't matter for it to be a low 2-C structure, this is why we don't have the ROST as low 2-C for example
either way this thing is getting into derail i feel, someone just needs to apply the multipliers to the new speed calc and we are good to go
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It is 10% of the macrocosm, which is a 2-C contruct made up of at least 2 spacetimes. 2-C/10 is still 2-C.
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The Universe itself is bounded with the space-time continuum, if this thread gets accepted it not only will change Toei Broly's rating but also 2-C characters as well
Mind my bad English, what I'm implying is that the speed hasn't been updating with the tiering.
I haven't been informed about the DB speed rating, why isn't it acceptable anymore?
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Universe
The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, all forms of matter and energy. Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats. The observable universe is currently...
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RoSAT is not considered 2-C because it was explicitly stated to be tier 5. And how do you know that its spatial 3-D size is not universal? The realms actual size is never stated on screen. The 1/10th things comes from the guide. And according to vs battle wiki rules, there is no multiplication or division in tier 2. Macrocosm is tier 2 and a 10th of that is still tier 2. Thus kaioshin realm is still tier 2.
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it 10% in size, have you not read what i said? if the 3D size of the realm is not universal in size, then we don't treat it as a low 2-C structure independently if it is another space time
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10% of 2 universes is not universal? And each of those 2 universes are arguably much bigger than our observable universe.
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as of this thread it was concluded that the macrocosm map is not on scale with the real size of things, so it is as such inrealiable to calced the ratings of the characters, as of now the current calc for speed uses the map, now since the map was accepted as not being on scale, we simply have to recalc it, fortunely a user already did that on the thread, so now we just need to apply it
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Space-time continumm encompasses the universe, not the other way around; hence, the universe not being infinite-sized does not affect Tier 2 rantings.
To be more precise, the difference between a Timeline/4D Space-Time that encompasses a High 3-A universe, and a Timeline/4D Space-Time that encompasses a 3-A universe is none, since both work as uncountable infinity and thus countable finite or infinite values on a three-dimensional scale are rendered meaningless in this tier.
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it was proven by official transalator that the infinity cant be taken literally but just a use of poetic words
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Heaven's accepted as being the size of the universe right? The Kaioshin Realm's size is 1/10th of the Afterlife+Universe combined.
Considering how small Heaven is to the scope of the entire Afterlife (literally you can see how numerous Heavens would fit in the space shown here alone), the Kaioshin Realm still probably reaches universal size.
Considering how small Heaven is to the scope of the entire Afterlife (literally you can see how numerous Heavens would fit in the space shown here alone), the Kaioshin Realm still probably reaches universal size.
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That's stupid tbh. The earth is at the edge of the living world which does make the living world considerably larger than our universe. Hell inside the afterlife is as wide as the universe and the afterlife is much bigger than that. And the kaio realm is 10% of all tgat COMBINED. How the hell is that not universal?
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Oh ic, so you're implying a special context that the Universe isn't actually the space-time continuum itself
Ya ik, that's why I stated the Universe was bounded to the continuum
From one statement, not the other however
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In this context tho, it refers to a very specific and singular location where the SDBs are, so there is only a single center
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Because it's not. The space-time continuum is the Timeline, the Universe is simply all the matter within said continuum.
Time > Space > Universe.
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the position of earth means nothing really
unless you can prove how much bigger it is we can't, that is just how it is
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Well you will have to prove that the kaio realm is not universal sized since it is currently accepted as a low 2-C realm. The burden of proof is on you. I just gave my reason why I consider it as universal, infinite or not.
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