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More arguments were given and Op was refuted, could you give more of your opinion here?
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Dragon Ball: Finite Universe
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More arguments were given and Op was refuted, could you give your opinion?
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What are you trying to prove by this.?
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"doesn't refute"
"untrue"
"does not say that"
"doesn't matter"
I thought this was already over and then someone came up with that, not asserting anything relevant to the actual scans presented and simply bringing accusations of "straw man" and argumentum ad lapidem. Since this thread was accepted, I'm leaving.
Also, stop the spam, Luffy.
"untrue"
"does not say that"
"doesn't matter"
I thought this was already over and then someone came up with that, not asserting anything relevant to the actual scans presented and simply bringing accusations of "straw man" and argumentum ad lapidem. Since this thread was accepted, I'm leaving.
Also, stop the spam, Luffy.
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Bruh, Luffy.
I have some questions anyways.
Where has the "infinite galaxies" statement gone to?
And where is the "infinitely expansive" statement? Because i remember that being the actual translation.
I have some questions anyways.
Where has the "infinite galaxies" statement gone to?
And where is the "infinitely expansive" statement? Because i remember that being the actual translation.
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More arguments were given and the Op refuted, could you give your opinion one more time?
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To further explain on the finite joules to High 3-A gap being an issuse, people getting huge increases in power is an issue regardless of if you think they're finite or not.
If you think DBZ anime Goku is 4-B, and then he jumps to tier 3-A in dragon ball GT, he still eclipses the power he gets from training all his life, for over 50 years in 10 years, by 40 orders of magnitude. The gap between 3-A and 4-B is bigger than the gap between 4-B and a regular human.
If you think DBZ anime Goku is 4-B, and then he jumps to tier 3-A in dragon ball GT, he still eclipses the power he gets from training all his life, for over 50 years in 10 years, by 40 orders of magnitude. The gap between 3-A and 4-B is bigger than the gap between 4-B and a regular human.
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Increases aren't an issue. Xeno Trunks jumps from 4-B to 2-A with 6 months of training.
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Nice duck, anyways. I am literally just pointing out the obvious. Something infinite having an edge is completely fine. If not, you can't assert there'd be anything bigger than it. It's just basic logic.
Even within math, having an edge and being infinite is completely fine. Nothing you've said concretely disproves it, while I gave examples of things like rays or hyper-real numbers, which are systems of how such a thing would work and be completely fine mathematically speaking, proving that the contradiction doesn't actually exist, and the retcon statement is incorrect.
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INB4 "they're getting only finite increases in power!!!" and "it doesn't make sense for them to have finite increases in power when their multipliers are finite!!11!"
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I'm leaving x2. Don't bother.
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Shows me you can't even defend your argument, you just post it, have no real backlash, and leave when people actually argue. Your post is really bad, and this shouldn't be accepted. Furthermore, more people will be available once your 2-C downgrade attempt thread will be posted and quickly refuted and declined.
It's nothing new, it's happened many times, and your arguments are the same stuff that people regurgitated for a long time. Furthermore, I did offer new argumenst, and it shows you didn't even read my full response if this is what you're saying.
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I finally have time now, i need to know
After knowing this i can start editing them
What will all of these be downgraded to?
After knowing this i can start editing them
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Back to the tier they had before the High 3-A upgrade.
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Hey since you are a dbh supporter, what stat will the chars linked above be changed to? Could you help with the inplementation?
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3-B.
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No wait, DBH Broly should be 2-C.
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Don't, the discussion isn't even over.
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Guacamolefletcher
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They should not, your arguments aren't actually substantiated.
Having an edge =/= a contradiction to being high 3-A.
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This whole thing about "Hateshinai" being a figure of speech isn't entirely correct. It can be, but the onus is on the OP to actually prove that it is, especially given what other translators that have been linked to before have said.
Which brings me to another issue I have with the OP: the complete dismissal of anything that goes against their claim. Twice, people knowledgeable on the Japanese language have explained how the terminology used in the Daizenshuu and such is actually quite literal, yet it was just swept under the rug as "arbitrary scans and examples that don't mean anything."
So now we're just ignoring evidence we don't like?
It's as if people just have these preconceived notions about the DB universe and will stick to them no matter what is presented...
Which brings me to another issue I have with the OP: the complete dismissal of anything that goes against their claim. Twice, people knowledgeable on the Japanese language have explained how the terminology used in the Daizenshuu and such is actually quite literal, yet it was just swept under the rug as "arbitrary scans and examples that don't mean anything."
So now we're just ignoring evidence we don't like?
It's as if people just have these preconceived notions about the DB universe and will stick to them no matter what is presented...
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OP has refused to engage with any disagreements, despite the thread being ongoing
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To me, this is the main reason why despite 48 hours passing, this thread should not be closed. Rereading the thread has shown me how there's been little actual engagement, and more of just dismissing the evidence for one arbitrary reason or another.
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I think the same admins who voted here to discuss it should be tagged, this is very wrong, we gave our argument and even so some didn't even read it and it's already out
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If there is little actual engagement, someone should probably remake the thread and have both sides present an organised argument there.
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Idk if there should be a whole thread remake but there should be a much clearer summary of both sides' arguments for the staff to look over.
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It's been six pages already, this might be ironic coming from me, but it'll get quite long.
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...bonjour.....
Guacamolefletcher
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IDK, it just seemed to be people saying "yeah, I agree." We don't decide what's right democratically and then refuse to engage. If that was the case, people would quickly vote for incorrect stuff.
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Based on the arguments I’ve seen, I’m going to agree with the OP and object to the universes being infinite in size since the statements contradict more direct evidence shown in the anime.
Also, I predicted a new thread changing the DBZ tiers would arrive.
Also, I predicted a new thread changing the DBZ tiers would arrive.
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That sort of stuff is how we end up with staff discussions. Not saying that should happen, but a deadlock like that is pretty bad.
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Tbh I don't think so. A lot of posts are either FRA training, complaining about the CRT, complaining about people complaining about the CRT, etc.
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Well then, who wants to summarize the counterarguments?
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The typical DB exhange. I suppose I'll concede on this point then.
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This will be the last time that I'll type that: Show me a single japanese sentence of Hateshinai being used literally. Show me the proof of that, not just claims like the newers here are doing. Just that.
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