some of them even objectively incorrect.
First, disingenous start to a thread, as it's already framing your view as objective when it
can never be within fiction.
but I also find the arguments pretty much weak and some of them even objectively incorrect
I'll be the judge.
Please note that in Daizenshuu 7's scan, the kanji
い is missing and it's substituted with
く, forming
果てし無く, which means
"eternally; interminably".
Doesn't refute that other scan.
Anyway, what's important with those informations is that Hateshinai is a figurative term of japanese to talk about an infinite element. To explain this thesis, I will use three reliable dictionaries that demonstrates how the term applies within a sentence:
The argument never relied on this. Clear strawman, it was more used for consistency.
The next quotes are those two from
Daizenshuu 4:
You use a mistranslation, as the scan does NOT say
expanding but rather says extends.
literally infinite in size, but it's expanding infinitely
untrue.
Something that is expanding is something that is constantly growing, not something that is already big (in this case, infinite). Saying it is literally infinite would be just an textual misinterpretation of what the wording is referring to.
Untrue based on what we know, also the kanji says
TO EXTEND. We know this is true based on the actual kanji and the lore. The only way it's not contradicting is if we take it as to extend. Heaven = universe in size, and yet it doesn't grow in size.
The Linguee dictionary
shows phrases commonly associated with that word, and it is very clear that none of them are being used similarly to as an literal adjective to describe something infinite in size (at least with standard measures of space). They are all figuratively endless/infinite.
Doesn't matter too, strawman of the point, they were simply added as evidence. That whole section was compeltely meaningless and a useless attempt to downgrade.
I'll be straightforward here: This is just an poetic description of the universe. The Daizenshuu 4 translator himself says this, therefore it's not literal:
Clearly not, based on the other statements.
Also, it's worth noting that the canocity of said cover art is heavily
dubious, as this page section of Daizenshuu 4 was considered so irrelevant that it wasn't even included in Chozenshu, which is the
remake of Daizenshuu and, as people may know, it's reviewed by Akira Toriyama himself.
Doesn't matter, the evidence is still there, and just because they don't include it doesn't mean it's non canon. Toriyama doesn't even factor into this conversation, he doesn't even know stuff from his own series anymore.
The universe is explicitly noted to have an edge and an center, meaning it's obviously not infinite:
NOT A REAL CONTRADICTION.
Meaning that claiming it is the "observable universe" is a flawed logic contradicted by the own authors' intention.
Toei website =/= author.
As people may know, the premisse of the Dragon Ball franchise is that characters can get stronger by
finite and
limited attributes such as training, transformations' multipliers, etc. Looking at the Toei side of this, the notion of the characters having an
High 3-A ranting absurdly skips through tiering levels, as from a moment to another one can skip a
4-B level of power to straight up infinite levels of power by having power ups that are clearly not an infinite attribute booster. For example, in
Toei's Goku page it is said this:
Woah, a complete sidetrack for an argument that doesn't even make sense. Nothing gatekeeps them from getting infinitely stronger in their training. Not a real contradiction whatsoever, that's basically just how you want the series to be. If the lore suggests this, which it does, then it is what it is. You're just saying this without actually substantiating why they can't have an infinite power jump.
I agree it's completely an issue in the profiles, and saying there's an infinite power gap there is just wrong, but nothing gatekeeps base goku from being high 3-A too.
The Dragon Ball Universe is potrayed to as having finite size by both statements and author's intentions. Nearly all the scans of it having an infinite size are either out of context or misinterpretated. High 3-A rantings should vanish because of that. And, obviously, there's 0 room for debate about the characters having Infinite Speed for supposedly crossing an infinite universe.
Nope, you're saying they're misinterpreted, and you haven't provided
SOLID EVIDENCE that the DB universe is finite, considering the statements. Having an edge doesn't matter, it can still be infinite, and your Bulma arguments aren't nearly as solid as you think they are. Furthermore, looking back they're significantly weaker considering that "throughout universe 7" isn't even literal, considering they don't search in otherworld or the kaioshin realm. Evidently, anyone that knows how the dragon ball cosmology
actually works, understands that universe 7 as a whole isn't where the super dragon balls were located, and hence this misinterpretation of the statements doesn't hold up.
