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the current calcs for the 3-As in the dbs uses the classic map for the macrocosm to calc the ap and speed of the characters, however there are two problems with this:
1: this map is not consistent with dbs anime's visuals of how universes are, it is consistently shown to not look like the macrocosm map at all, so the calculations should be changed and be based on what the consistent map looks like instead of the macrocosm map, some may bring up the fact that the other dimensions of the universe like the afterlife and the kaioshin realm are not visible in the map used in the anime, for that i say:
1.1: there is nothing to say that they would be visible in the first place, the only thing that would suggest that they would is the macrocosm map and the guides, which isn't a good counter since what it is shown in the main cannon always takes priority over secondary cannon like the guides, so they not appearing is not a counter argument since they have no stated size whatsoever in the main canon of dbs, and things like guides are only secondary cannon with anything of the main cannon taking priority over it
1.2: even if you want to hard take the dimensions as needing to be visible however, we can clearly see multiple massive cosmic like objects in the map, so to say that some of them are the other dimensions is not too far fetched of an assumption, specially when we know that we are seeing the universe
now you may be thinking, "this only applies to the dbs anime, manga stays the same as it uses the macrocosm map", well, that brings me to my second point
2: the map is clearly not in scale, and you can clearly see the map makes the snake way, which is only 1.000.000 km long, is seemingly 2x the universe in height if put in a horizontal position, also king kai's planet, which is extremely small, is via this map only 14.25x smaller than the entire living universe, so even in the manga, it shouldn't be used to calc since it is clearly out of scale in size.
Proposal for the anime: simply use the images we have of the universe showed in the anime alongside the basic assumption of the observable universe, and make estimates for the sizes of the other dimensions based on what we know of them, which is that we at least know that they have a star in them
Proposal for the db manga: i guess we can only use the basic observable universe assumption and go on from there, but i believe the logic for the other dimensions proposed above could be used as well
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Agree: @Damage3245 (agrees with the removal of the macrocosm map, waiting clarification about the use of the map used in the dbs anime) @TimmyTurnero @RIZEXX @Maverick_Zero_X(same as damage) @StekFence @Theglassman12 @LordGriffin1000 @Hasty12345 @Artorimachi_Meteoraft @Nullflowerblush
Disagree: @Stefano4444 @God900 @LuffyRuffy46307 @DarkDragonMedeus (on the end result of the feat of destroying the universe bein baseline, it is important to note that this thread never suggested that in the first place, also disagrees with the map not being on scale to the size of the realms themselves, has not given any opinion regarding the "dbs anime not using the map at all" point yet)
Neutral:
1: this map is not consistent with dbs anime's visuals of how universes are, it is consistently shown to not look like the macrocosm map at all, so the calculations should be changed and be based on what the consistent map looks like instead of the macrocosm map, some may bring up the fact that the other dimensions of the universe like the afterlife and the kaioshin realm are not visible in the map used in the anime, for that i say:
1.1: there is nothing to say that they would be visible in the first place, the only thing that would suggest that they would is the macrocosm map and the guides, which isn't a good counter since what it is shown in the main cannon always takes priority over secondary cannon like the guides, so they not appearing is not a counter argument since they have no stated size whatsoever in the main canon of dbs, and things like guides are only secondary cannon with anything of the main cannon taking priority over it
1.2: even if you want to hard take the dimensions as needing to be visible however, we can clearly see multiple massive cosmic like objects in the map, so to say that some of them are the other dimensions is not too far fetched of an assumption, specially when we know that we are seeing the universe
now you may be thinking, "this only applies to the dbs anime, manga stays the same as it uses the macrocosm map", well, that brings me to my second point
2: the map is clearly not in scale, and you can clearly see the map makes the snake way, which is only 1.000.000 km long, is seemingly 2x the universe in height if put in a horizontal position, also king kai's planet, which is extremely small, is via this map only 14.25x smaller than the entire living universe, so even in the manga, it shouldn't be used to calc since it is clearly out of scale in size.
Proposal for the anime: simply use the images we have of the universe showed in the anime alongside the basic assumption of the observable universe, and make estimates for the sizes of the other dimensions based on what we know of them, which is that we at least know that they have a star in them
Proposal for the db manga: i guess we can only use the basic observable universe assumption and go on from there, but i believe the logic for the other dimensions proposed above could be used as well
bold=staff
Agree: @Damage3245 (agrees with the removal of the macrocosm map, waiting clarification about the use of the map used in the dbs anime) @TimmyTurnero @RIZEXX @Maverick_Zero_X(same as damage) @StekFence @Theglassman12 @LordGriffin1000 @Hasty12345 @Artorimachi_Meteoraft @Nullflowerblush
Disagree: @Stefano4444 @God900 @LuffyRuffy46307 @DarkDragonMedeus (on the end result of the feat of destroying the universe bein baseline, it is important to note that this thread never suggested that in the first place, also disagrees with the map not being on scale to the size of the realms themselves, has not given any opinion regarding the "dbs anime not using the map at all" point yet)
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