Vampire Hunter D (Akashic Records Slight Downgrade)

[Ss3micah]

I am well aware of that because I myself disagreed with the first attempt at Sailor Moon speed upgrade given the Space-Time Corridor in Sailor Moon is just a 4D realm that connected different points of Space-Time, and that the 2nd Arc was literally about characters warping and manipulating Space-Time.
Regardless, Akashic Records would obviously be Omnipresent in itself. It's hax applications, idk. I'll let the Immeasurable Speed experts discuss it.

Does anyone know any immeasurable speed experts?

 

[RM97]

Disagree. It's not said that they're the same, it's said that the soul supports the mind. The mind being destroyed along with the soul would simply mean it's bound to it but none of this makes his mind nonexistent.

Not really, VHD treats Mind and Soul sort of the same. For example, Souls exist/reside in the Mental Plane or Dream Land which is where they end up after death (unless they are cursed to be on the world) and this mental plane is where all the thoughts, ideas, dreams, etc exist., and death in this plane means death in real life (Examples in Vol 5, 13, 26, 28, and 29, all of which deals with the Mental Plane/Dream Land and Souls etc). This is also supported by the fact that in Volume 2, Souls were alluded to be part of the Universal Consciousness as a Perfected Form of "Intelligence". It can be argued that the Soul itself resides deeper than the Mind, which is why the mind can be driven mad at most but not destroyed unless you destroy the soul.

Nope. This is still just acausality, it doesn't mean his information is nonexistent.

Let me elaborate. Akashic Records/Ethers records the information of everything (and nothing) in creation. If you remove/erase the information of anything from the records, it just goes non-existent as if it never existed in the first place (Example being Kima). Occam's Razor suggests that D not being bound by/having any information in the Akashic Records just implies that he is not part of creation which consists of both (1) & (0), and thus Non-Existent as D lacks the basic information which governs and dictates all of creation. That is more than simply being Acausal and is supplemented by the fact that when Valcua forcefully wrote D into the Akashic Records, D was still not affected despite Valcua stating that he has written D in the records to drink sue's blood and forget about everything that has happened, implying that he has no information to control.

but doesn't he have his father's energy or something?

His father is a Void/Non-Existent Lovecraftian being that resides in a Chaotic Realm beyond Creation which also has been described by Zen-Koan Buddhist elements. Hence like father, like son.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Only Viscount Kraken did (and D still killed him). The Nobles in Fog Island were also erased when they got killed by D 100 years ago (as per their monologue), but later they were brought back by Sacred Ancestor, though its not a regen feat.

Current Standard needs completely getting erased as a feat not half and half

 

[RM97]

Current Standard needs completely getting erased as a feat not half and half

Viscount Kraken, a noble, has shown to come back even after getting his fount of life cut and erased. Even going by the standards, D possesses this level of regen as D has all the abilities shown by any noble due to being the Son of Sacred Ancestor who is the progenitor of the entire race of Nobles. This is further cemented by a Godly Regen feat in Volume 29, where Baron Agrippa erased D's Physical Form by concentrating an entire galaxy's worth of Sunlight (which is detrimental to both Vampires and Dhampirs) on him, and this caused D's (non-existent) soul to appear in the Dream Worlds. However, D reformed his body back instantly in the physical world and killed the baron.
The reason why we never see a full erasure of D is because there has been no weapon or being powerful enough to erase D completely.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Occam's Razor suggests that D not being bound by/having any information in the Akashic Records just implies that he is not part of creation which consists of both (1) & (0), and thus Non-Existent as D lacks the basic information which governs and dictates all of creation.

I'm still not sure it qualifies as it doesn't say he lacks information, He's just outside it.

Anyway I'm not a NEP expert so I'll just wait for DT

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Viscount Kraken, a noble, has shown to come back even after getting his fount of life cut and erased. Even going by the standards, D possesses this level of regen as D has all the abilities shown by any noble due to being the Son of Sacred Ancestor who is the progenitor of the entire race of Nobles. This is further cemented by a Godly Regen feat in Volume 29, where Baron Agrippa erased D's Physical Form by concentrating an entire galaxy's worth of Sunlight (which is detrimental to both Vampires and Dhampirs) on him, and this caused D's (non-existent) soul to appear in the Dream Worlds. However, D reformed his body back instantly in the physical world and killed the baron.
The reason why we never see a full erasure of D is because there has been no weapon or being powerful enough to erase D completely.

If this is true i don't mind D having HGR but can I get the scans for the viscount to getting erased on fundamental aspects level completely & coming back.

 

[RM97]

If this is true i don't mind D having HGR but can I get the scans for the viscount to getting erased on fundamental aspects level completely & coming back.

When D initially fought Viscount Kraken, he was able to kill Kraken, a Noble who discarded his Noble body to become one with water. D was able to cut his Fount of Life which seemingly erased him and turned his watery body into regular water. Already posted about D cutting fount of life, so here's the feat (Volume 23, Chapter 8):

It was unclear whether Gianne was cowed by his overwhelming size and his air of malevolence, but on the back of her rearing cyborg horse she kept her arrow unerringly trained on the giant’s heart.
Closing his massive hand into a fist and pulling something from the left side of his chest, he hurled it straight at D with a grunt.
Easily catching the rough wooden needle that’d pierced the giant’s heart in his left hand, the Hunter introduced himself, saying, “I’m D, and I have something to ask you.” Either he didn’t realize he was in no position to be making requests, or he was showing his confidence that his deadly skill could slay the giant where he stood.
“Ah,” said the voice that fell from ten feet high, carrying evident surprise. “I believe I have heard that name before. You are an exquisite man, I see. Now I can understand why Nobles could be so taken with the sight of you that they’re easily cut down.”
Striking the left side of his chest, he said, “You made me experience pain for only the second time in my life. You’re a man to be feared. However, if all that skill cannot slay me, then it matters not! See what it is to battle in Kraken’s watery hell—and then die.”
An arrow whined through the air, sinking into the Nobleman right between the eyes. Seemingly having no effect at all, the arrow came out through the back of his head.
“Did you imagine an arrow would have any effect on water? The man known as D is special!” Viscount Kraken declared in a voice like bubbles bursting. In fact, something foamy was actually spilling from his thick, toad-like lips. It didn’t fall to the ground, but rather rose high into the darkness.
“You know, there’s something I’ve been wondering about for a while now,” Gianne said in a fashion that was actually rather bold. “Isn’t water supposed to be taboo for the Nobility?”
“Correct,” Kraken replied without the least delay. “Before I became like this, I was a Noble living on dry land. That was four and a half millennia ago. However, one spring day a faulty setting on the aircraft carrying my wife and daughter caused it to crash in the lakes region. This is the result.”
Changing the subject, he continued, “What do you think are the ways to destroy a Noble? A wooden stake driven through the heart, decapitation, burning in fire? All will suffice, and all do a splendid job of reducing us to dust. All save drowning. My wife and daughter were ladies who placed more value on their Nobility than anyone I know. All their lives it was so. I know not how many times they scolded me for my own lapses. However, when the two of them were fished from the lake, they were foul swine bloated with all the water they had inhaled. It was then that I swore I would master water. And it took me some three thousand seven hundred years to reach this point!”
“A Noble who wanted to be a fish—that wouldn’t even make a good routine for some comedian out in the sticks,” the hoarse voice spat venomously.
“I of all people can solve the riddle of this girl’s physiology. Why is it that time and again she has felt the fangs of Nobles, yet instead of being made their servant she raises her hand against them? This may very well be a boon to the declining Nobility. D, I shall take the girl now!”
A great splash of water bounced off the waterproof tarp. Focused rain. And look! The tarp, shrouded in gray, misty spray, lost its shape and color, and then began to disappear as if it were dissolving in the water—along with the two figures beneath it.
“That ain’t good!” the hoarse voice exclaimed from the Hunter’s left hand. D had just placed it on the tarp.
See how that veritable waterfall of rain became a single column of water that was swallowed by the mouth that opened in the palm of the Hunter’s hand.
In the darkness, the mountain of a Nobleman gasped.
Gianne’s bowstring twanged twice, sending its projectiles toward his heart. She knew full well the attack was in vain. However, when they pierced the heart of that colossal figure, they became scorching balls of flame.
“Gaaaaaah!”
Kraken—the great sea beast—doubled over, clutching his chest. Beneath his hands, it glowed crimson. Just then, fireballs and black smoke gushed from his mouth, nose, and ears, followed shortly by more from his stomach and crotch.
“Count Langlan was good enough to give me these flame arrows. He thought if there was any weapon that could slay Viscount Kraken, this was it.”
The giant jerked his head back and opened his mouth. Smoke still poured from his mouth like it was a chimney, and his whole body twitched.
D didn’t wait for the smoke to stop. The instant he saw that the rain on the tarp had diminished with the viscount’s spasms, the Hunter launched himself into the air. His legs were so powerful he easily sailed more than thirty feet, drawing his blade an instant later and swinging it at a neck as thick as a giant tree trunk.
The Nobleman’s head fell. By the time it passed his chest it had become a ball of water devoid of eyes and a nose, and before it hit the ground it had fallen to droplets.
“What the—” Gianne exclaimed, pulling tight on the reins as the Nobleman’s body also turned to water and gushed toward her.
D was immersed in the weird water up to the waist, though it quickly receded again.
“That was easy, wasn’t it?” Gianne said, but her expression was stiff. It was too easy. There was no way defeating him should’ve been so simple.

However, Kraken somehow came back again in his watery form for the second round, and this time he was completely unharmed by Langlan's attack and by D's attack on his chest due to his evolved form. D was captured by him but once D went Full Vampire Mode and cut him easily, Kraken was defeated and his watery form dissolved (again) into regular water indicating that D erased him for good.

Heaven and earth shook violently—and before they knew it, everything was sinking into the floor. No, into the water! Laughter echoed from beneath the gray floor, and as D, the count, and Iriya watched, the floor rose up like a mountain. From a spray of water that rivaled a waterfall—no, not water, but a spray of the floor—the enormous form of the mighty Viscount Kraken came into view.
“Is that what it takes to master water, Kraken?” Count Langlan bellowed, and his disappointment was understandable.
The skin on the giant’s face and hands was as swollen and purple as a drowning victim’s, while his enormous form wobbled like a sack full of water. A thin covering of mold grew on his skin, and those dead fish eyes of his contained not a single spark of vitality.
So, this was a Noble who lived in the water? This was another shape for the Nobles who danced their splendid waltzes in the moonlight, lent their ears to minstrels’ tales, and whistled tunes up and down highways of indestructible metal that ran all the way to the moon?
“Even the sight of you is revolting. Die, Kraken!”
From all over the ceiling red beams of light converged on the titanic figure. These were no ordinary lasers or heat rays. They were bizarre beams of scalding heat that evaporated water alone.
Swirling with steam, the water boiled. Viscount Kraken’s colossal form was rapidly changing shape.
“Be the water you so love, become steam, and spread across the entire planet. Life comes from water. Kraken, it is you who—”
In the midst of his roaring laughter, Count Langlan was pierced through the back and chest with a transparent stake. A stake made of water. One twist of it sent the count’s body flying against the wall behind, and as that wall had been transformed into water, Langlan sank halfway into it.
A different opponent charged the giant head on. When the Hunter’s blade pierced the Nobleman’s heart, the gigantic figure became a wave of water that swallowed D.
Pain enveloped the Hunter. As descendants of the Nobility, dhampirs feared running water. It wreaked havoc with their metabolism and left them unable to breathe.
D rose through the water. But there was no surface to it.
“You are within me,” Kraken said, his voice ringing sharply through the Hunter’s head. “You cannot escape. I will not let you go! Experience the same agony my wife and daughter did before they perished. You shall be joining them. And know you this: my mastery of water springs from the teachings of the Sacred Ancestor! No one but those of his line could ever defeat it. D, prepare to meet your maker!”
At that point, crimson wisps enveloped D’s face. Before Kraken realized the Hunter had bitten through his own lip, D swung his blade.
Such a cold, cruel face he wore! Fangs peeking from between the lips that’d given him that taste of lifeblood. D, are you too a descendant of the Nobility?
Perhaps it took the sword of a damned man to slay the damned, because D’s blade sliced through the water, and he leapt out into the air through the cut. Though a number of watery spears jabbed after him, a flash of silver mowed through them all, reducing them to splashes of water that fell back onto Viscount Kraken’s split belly.
“Impossible,” the enormous figure drifting on the floor said in a dazed tone. “The only thing that could destroy me . . . is the Sacred Ancestor’s . . . Could it be . . .”
His voice gave out at the same time his body dissolved.
A wave bore down on D, but he skillfully landed on it and rode it out. His feet hit the floor. It was firm. With Kraken’s death, the water’s spell had also been broken.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that just a few chapters ago in the same novel (Volume 23, Chapter 5), D was cutting and erasing souls trapped in a village for thousands of years.

Iriya bounded into the saddle, and the two steeds started to gallop off. Behind them, a low, doleful chorus arose.
“Come back!”
The horses halted. No, their legs actually continued to pound the ground. They definitely seemed to be moving forward. They must have been. And yet, in opposition to the most basic laws of physics, the two steeds didn’t advance in the slightest. Why, not only had they stopped advancing, but they were actually moving backward!
D had already noticed the figures behind them standing at front doors and windows, beckoning to them.
“What the hell?” Iriya cried, desperately working the reins and kicking her steed’s flanks as she ground her teeth together.
Five thousand years ago, all the men in the village had vanished, never to return. The remaining women could do nothing but wait, and before long stories of the travelers who passed through Vinmel but didn’t come back began to reach city offices and sheriff’s departments. Though Vinmel was no more than the ruins of a village by that point, the investigators who went there were left breathless by the scene that greeted them: much to their surprise, life went on as normal in the rotting, collapsing homes. The men from that party found themselves waking up with, breaking bread with, and even chatting with wives, daughters, and mothers who’d been reduced to bleached bones or mummified remains. Of course, these men weren’t their real husbands or fathers, and their days spent with the dead left them as emaciated as corpses, and it’s said that only a combination of physical and magical treatment finally got them to speak the truth.
For more than a century after that the village of Vinmel had been behind barricades, off limits permanently. Nevertheless, travelers continued to disappear in its vicinity. Families who’d lost their men waited for them still.
“Come back to us!”
The cyborg horses galloped on, yet they were clearly moving backward.
“We’re in trouble here,” the hoarse voice insisted. “We’re up against a whole village. I don’t know what the focal point is!”
“Let’s try burning down the houses!”
Iriya’s right hand dipped into her saddlebags. Pulling out a cylinder roughly the same size as a conventional clip of bullets, she grabbed the ring on one end of it and yanked it off. Slowly counting to three, she twisted around on the horse and let the cylinder fly.
She had considerable strength. A house more than sixty feet behind them erupted in spiteful, oily flames. Iriya’s aim was right on the money. Without pausing, she set four buildings gloriously ablaze.
The scenery began flowing past them normally again.
“We did it—we’re getting out!”
But Iriya’s hopes weren’t sustained for more than ten yards.
“We’re moving backward again! How come?”
“It’s the other houses,” said the hoarse voice. “Seems like the whole village must want us to stay.”
“I don’t have enough incendiaries for that!”
As Iriya cried out, her eyes caught a black form sailing into the air.
“D?”
When the figure in the black coat landed, he slammed into the houses behind them like a demonic gale. As the wind passed the figures standing by the doorways, they lost their heads or were split lengthwise, vanishing.

 

[Ss3micah]

BUMP

 

[Ss3micah]

Has these been applied yet?

 

[Ss3micah]

We need immeasurable speed and NEP experts in here pronto

 

[ImmortalDread]

Give me the post link and I can give my evaluation on this

 

[Ss3micah]

Give me the post link and I can give my evaluation on this

Here and Here
We evaluating the NEP and Immeasurable speed reasoning

 

[Theglassman12]

@RM97 So long as there's evidence that the fount of life being cut/destroyed/erased etc. can lead to the erasure of the being's entire existence and they come back it should qualify for high godly regen. As for VHD's NEP, does he have any statements of lacking any physical form? If he does it can qualify for NEP as that's one of the things needed for NEP to qualify for a character.

 

[RM97]

@RM97 So long as there's evidence that the fount of life being cut/destroyed/erased etc. can lead to the erasure of the being's entire existence and they come back it should qualify for high godly regen. As for VHD's NEP, does he have any statements of lacking any physical form? If he does it can qualify for NEP as that's one of the things needed for NEP to qualify for a character.

Fount of Life, I posted.
For NEP one regarding statements of lacking any physical form, no. His Physical Body in the world exists but his Soul and everything else are Non-existent. That's why he has Limited NEP because it is all related to his Metaphysical Self.

 

[Theglassman12]

Then yeah Limited NEP is fine.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Fount of Life, I posted.
For NEP one regarding statements of lacking any physical form, no. His Physical Body in the world exists but his Soul and everything else are Non-existent. That's why he has Limited NEP because it is all related to his Metaphysical Self.

Only nature type 1

 

[RM97]

Type 2 is because, in VHD, there are Non-Existent things and beings. For example, Non-Existent weapons from Volume 2, Non-Existent entities from Volumes 21 and 24, Non-existence itself as shown in volume 11, etc. Finally, from Volume 25, we get the Nothingness, which is a realm of pure non-existence where no Mathematical Construct can exist and where anything (including abstract entities such as the vampires made from Dreams in Volume 5 and concepts such as Conceptual Energy/Fount of Life/Source of Life) that gets dropped completely ceases to exist. So essentially in the verse, we have Existence (1) and Non-Existence (0). Akashic Records exist beyond all of these and govern all of creation including both (1) & (0) while containing their information. However, D does not exist as part of the Akashic Records and is completely removed from it. Enforcing his information into the records does nothing too which proves that he is neither (1) nor (0), and is beyond them both.

Don't see why NEP Type 1 when I have explained how why it will be NEP 2.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Don't see why NEP Type 1 when I have explained how why it will be NEP 2.

He still has Existence. Don't see what's NEP type 2 here.

Fount of Life, I posted.
For NEP one regarding statements of lacking any physical form, no. His Physical Body in the world exists but his Soul and everything else are Non-existent. That's why he has Limited NEP because it is all related to his Metaphysical Self.

 

[Theglassman12]

So does Anos by having a physical body, don’t see why this should be any different.

 

[RM97]

He still has Existence.

That's why he has "Limited" NEP. Which theglassman12 even agrees with.

Then yeah Limited NEP is fine.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That's why he has "Limited" NEP. Which theglassman12 even agrees with.

Yeah then Okay .

So does Anos by having a physical body, don’t see why this should be any different.

Talk about using Whatsboutism being a staff.

 

[Theglassman12]

Not really whataboutism, I know the context for Anos having NEP 2 in the first place. This is hardly that different so it applies as limited by the same standard.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not really whataboutism, I know the context for Anos having NEP 2 in the first place. This is hardly that different so it applies as limited by the same standard.

I don't even wanna argue knowing you would stonewall me with your own headcanon. Just so that you know Graham and Anos can Exists without their physical bodies and still think and act which is why type 2 and 3. It's kinda funny you comparing both without even knowing how both works.

 

[RM97]

I don't even wanna argue knowing you would stonewall me with your own headcanon. Just so that you know Graham and Anos can Exists without their physical bodies and still think and act which is why type 2 and 3. It's kinda funny you comparing both without even knowing how both works.

But so can D..... Like, the very scan of NEP given in his profile is D's soul leaving his body to venture into a higher dimension to find his victims and then returning back to his body. Matter of fact, in Volume 13, D can even leave his physical body and create an entire parallel world where he can exist.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

But so can D..... Like, the very scan of NEP given in his profile is D's soul leaving his body to venture into a higher dimension to find his victims and then returning back to his body. Matter of fact, in Volume 13, D can even leave his physical body and create an entire parallel world where he can exist.

Well Glass sounded like Anos needs a physical body to exists where It's not really true.

Anyway I already agree with your reasoning.

 

[RM97]

Alright, then. OP can apply the changes.

 

[Vietthai96]

So does Anos by having a physical body, don’t see why this should be any different.

Iirc NEP is for Anos source, not his entire being

Don't see why NEP Type 1 when I have explained how why it will be NEP 2.

To be fair here, i feel it is NEP type 3 more than type 2, he is a paradox, he exist yet at the same time non-exist. Still if most people includes staff agree with Limited NEP2, then well i'm fine with it

 

[RM97]

Iirc NEP is for Anos source, not his entire being

To be fair here, i feel it is NEP type 3 more than type 2, he is a paradox, he exist yet at the same time non-exist. Still if most people includes staff agree with Limited NEP2, then well i'm fine with it

I already mentioned it is both NEP 2 & 3.

Thus, his Limited Non-Existent Physiology rating will have Nature Types 2 & 3, Aspects 1, 2, 3, 4, & 5.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I already mentioned it is both NEP 2 & 3.

3, 4 & 5 still need to be evaluated by NEP experts

 

[Ss3micah]

So it seems (to me) that all are okay with Nature Limited NEP 2 and 3

What’s the Verdict on the Aspects?
And what’s the Verdict on Immeasurable Speed Akashic Records?

 

[Tatsumi504]

So it seems (to me) that all are okay with Nature Limited NEP 2 and 3

What’s the Verdict on the Aspects?
And what’s the Verdict on Immeasurable Speed Akashic Records?

Not sure about the NEP types but the aspects need evaluation from NEP experts. Also, IIRC DT said you can't two NEP types

1. Mind aspect is shaky in the sense that the mind being bound to the soul doesn't mean nonexistent soul= nonexistent mind.
2. Information adpect looks like it's a case of "D isn't in the records thus his info doesn't exist.
3. As for history it's equalizing "D" not being in the records and the removal of anything from the records makes it not exist= D's history is nonexistent.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Vietthai96 that’s literally my point, Anos’ source being the only NEP part of his existence still gave him NEP, albeit a limited form. D would still qualify regardless.

 

[RM97]

Not sure about the NEP types but the aspects need evaluation from NEP experts. Also, IIRC DT said you can't two NEP types

1. Mind aspect is shaky in the sense that the mind being bound to the soul doesn't mean nonexistent soul= nonexistent mind.
2. Information adpect looks like it's a case of "D isn't in the records thus his info doesn't exist.
3. As for history it's equalizing "D" not being in the records and the removal of anything from the records makes it not exist= D's history is nonexistent.

Can you post where it was stated by DT? Because we have profiles from different series where two NEP natures can exist simultaneously.

• The mind aspect I have is already explained in my NEP post. You're essentially arguing that the Mind can exist independently of the soul (irrespective of the latter's destruction or not), in which case the burden of proof is on you to show that to be the case since you're arguing a positive.
• The records store information on both existence and non-existence in creation as some sort of Conceptual Hub. Even when Valcua forcefully wrote D into the Akashic Records, he could not control him (let alone even see his actions). Not to mention, if your information does not exist in or gets erased from the records, it means that it never existed in the first place, to begin with (Such as in the case of Kima or when Matthew threatened to erase the World/Universe from the records). So by Occam's Razor, D's info not existing in the records just means that he is nonexistent.
• Well yes. Whataboutism aside, I explained why and we even have Monika from DDLC get type 5 because of the similar nature of Data/Information in the verse.

 

[Vietthai96]

@Vietthai96 that’s literally my point, Anos’ source being the only NEP part of his existence still gave him NEP, albeit a limited form. D would still qualify regardless.

Oke, fair enough, i misunderstand your point

 

[Ss3micah]

Bumping Again

 

[Bobsican]

DT has said the opposite as far I can tell, a character can fit multiple types of NEP at once, but a proper reasoning should be there for that as usual.

Anyways, this case seems to be more semantic-heavy than usual, so I'd rather leave this to those that know the verse more than me for now, especially as the reasonings seem to be spread across the comments.

 

[Ss3micah]

Bump

 

[Tatsumi504]

Bump

Call DT

 

[Ss3micah]

Already tried twice already
But sure

 

[Ss3micah]

OMG Bump
I can’t believe this is still ongoing LOLOL

Can we just apply what’s been accepted and then close the thread