What part of my argument was dishonest or disingenuous? What did i lie about?
Uh, the part I made explicitly and blatantly clear? Do I really need to spoon-feed you this? The whole "he wont use RO as a lead" thing, or acting because he hasn't used RO consistently in multiple fights or as multiple leads. It's disingenuous as **** because, lo and behold, trying to apply such logic to a dude who's only had said ability for a few minutes and then the game ends and he loses said power is so ******* unbelievably dishonest and roundabout it shouldn't even be mentioned, if it's such a issue, don't use EOH Jotaro, as simple as that. Especially when, at least in said few minutes he had it, he used it actively.
Also if you do not care about this thread, nor persuading me, and you have already expressed your thoughts on this match, nothing stops you from leaving.
I mean if you reply, I'm gonna reply back, doesn't change any of what I said.
If you don't, obviously people are gonna engage you, and take what you are doing for what is is, discussing topic/trying to justify your stance.
Yes, no shit lad, doesn't change anything, this is a utterly moot point.
Alright then show me Jotaro consistently, before attempting to fight someone?
Cause there are many times he doesn't do that... vs kira, vs josuke, vs dio, all times he straight opens with a punch. Only times I can remember of him leading with something else like TS was because of a significant range difference.
Uses time stop against Kira the second time around, spams time stop against Ratt, uses time stop immediately against Pucci, thrice fyi, every single time he encountered Pucci a time stop was involved. Spams the shit out of it against MIH. And that's just a few.
Let's take a look at times where he doesn't lead with time stop.
Vs. Josuke, he uses time stop as soon as Josuke fights back. Against Kira he crippled his ass, no need to. Against SHA, he uses it several times, in fact the the literal panel after he pummels it he uses time stop against it.
Jotaro uses time stop when it's needed or if he thinks it's required, he won't use time stop against some literal who weak ass Stand or something he can slap once and knock the **** out, but the moment he figures he needs it or it'd be of benefit, he'd use it, does so every time, some times he leads with it like against Pucci because it's helpful, and other times like against KQ where he slapped, he doesn't need it. He also uses it to dodge, get in close, and so on consistently;
And I'm going to ignore you said ******* DIO of all characters, as if Jotaro had a choice in that matter on to use time stop (and he uses time stop the exact moment he could against Dio anyway).
Jotaro uses time stop lad, does so consistently, and will even lead with it if he thinks the situation calls for it, this is all pretty basic stuff.
I don't think it does, since the manga events are obviously canon to it, we can use both it and the game to determine how he consistently opens a fight. Besides in the game
he still opens with an attempt to hit his opponent.
It literally does, are you seriously trying to say we should take the actions of a Jotaro ten years in the future who's not truly even the same Jotaro over
In other words no, he doesn't, or you just don't know. (I'm not arguing he won't use it at all, i'm saying he doesn't open a fight like that).
In other words you've been arguing Jotaro doesn't lead with RO, that's what you've been arguing. Yet, in the ONLY FIGHT he's ever had RO, he used it every chance he got, and you're expecting people to go "oh well shit guess he wont lead with it", when that's basically all he did? Of course not, we're using a Jotaro that only existed for a total of five minutes, within that time frame, he uses his newfound RO ability whenever needed, and does so with intent.
If you don't like using a Jotaro who's only existed for a few minutes under the pretense he's gonna use the shit he used while existing for said five minutes, then simply do not use him.
the actions and biases of the Jotaro we're using in this very match? Of course the game actions takes precedence, I shouldn't even have to explain as much, we're using a 17-18 year old hypothetical Jotaro, what he does as he is matters more then what his future self did.
And I'm going to ignore the fact you just used Jotaro not stopping time against God Dio as actual justification. Doesn;t take a genius to figure out that stopping time against someone who's time stop eclipses yours while fighting in a team would be super stupid, Jotaro stops time there, and guess what happens? Dio's time stop outlasts his and he gets ******.
Point to me to the part of sba that says "only forced to". If characters are willing to kill to begin with, it makes no sense they would still opt for NOT doing it, or actively restraining themselves from not doing it. And given the overwhelming AP difference, that would happen very easily.
Let me reiterate, force to as in their usual shit doesn't work. And no, you know how many matches exist were the characters are assumed to go for incap first because they don't actively kill? Literally thousands upon thousands. It's why bloodlusted exists dude, **** character morality and game plans, they just go for the kill. But as OP states in character, Jiren and Jotaro or literally any other character will act as they usually act, this is how matches work, Jiren will go for the kill if incap doesn't work, but he aint gonna kill first, he's gonna try and ko, as we see him do many times before and as part of his job and sense of justice.
Jiren can actively restrain himself by degrees of infinity, he's gonna try and ko Jotaro first and foremost, he's not a killer inherently, if that doesn't work, then he'll try to kill, but not any sooner than that.
Hell in that same vain if you're really ******* arguing Jiren is suddenly a killer and will go overboard because "willing to kill", I see no reason to assume Jotaro wouldn't lead with his instant kill ability because he too is willing to kill and when Jotaro's trying to kill he doesn't **** around and we see that RO Jotaro, while wanting to kill a foe, will, of course, use RO. Rendering this whole stupid argument of semantic bullshit moot, but clearly that isn't how it works, because Jotaro is in character, he too won't straight up go for ballistic murder bullshit against anyone while in character, Jotaro pulls his punches to avoid killing, his mind set might be skewed a tad because he's fight a roided alien here, but he's still not in a murderous mindset either.
That scan you literally sent is Jotaro saying "if i lose consciousness, im gonna ******* die".
Yes, and then he loses consciousness
His eyes blanking is representative of him being close to dying, but doesn't indicate he was knocked out.
It indicates both actually my dude.
Steam rises from his body, also indicating that he is about to die.
Indeed it does, why are you repeating the very things I already said?
What is clearly happening is them illustrating how CLOSE jotaro was to dying/passing out, never is it stated, nor confirmed he actually is, thats just an unwarranted assumption.
He literally stops his heart, goes on about how it hurts like a ***** and if he loses consciousness he's probably gonna die, his eyes blank out (which is something used constantly by Araki to, you guessed it, show someone getting ko'd, another example would be King Crimson punching Gio in the head of eyes whiting out).
The death mist begins to show up indicating Jotaro is in the process of dying.
Despite blatant indication of Jotaro dying, having lost conscious and so on, Plat spontaneously appears, pumps Jotaro's own heart, well, that's that. It's anything but warranted, it's literally just basic reading comprehension and deduction.
But again, if you wanna get anal about it and try to argue super obvious shit, there's other examples of sentient Stands acting while the user is ko'd, as said, Weather exists.
Analytical prediction of Star plat tries to revive him, and jiren can sense life energy, so he'd be able to tell if SP tries something very easily.
First off, not what Jiren's analytical prediction does, it ain't precog, he has to actually ANALYZE something to predict the end result and revive him? He doesn't need to revive him, it ain't like he's dead just ko'd. Jiren can sense life energy, but Stand's, at least nowadays (was a tad different early on but that's since long been changed), are the manifestations of the soul, not life energy, that's more a Hamon thing. And at the same time, Plat's actual PL would be so low comparatively I wouldn't be surprised if it even made a blip on his radar.
And then what would plat do, assuming ? Can't go outside of his like 2 meter range. Jiren has analytical prediction and could predict a revival of jotaro and act accordingly.
My dude, that ain't what his analytical prediction does, it ain't capable of things like that.
