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I’m pretty sure the manga version was calced purely using her distance from Kaminari for supersonic reactions
In the anime the feat is probably like Hypersonic
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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In the anime the feat is probably like Hypersonic
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How you doing Rawk? Still banned at spacebattles?
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Fan scans of the chapter are out.
Deku dodges countless bullets /without/ Danger Sense ever showing up or being mentioned. The 3rd’s quirk is a serious speed boost.
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Considering Fa Jin's meaning, it should've only lasted for that single jump, the energy around his leg vanished as well. Though he may have used Fa Jin again, as his legs glow again before the flashback. However it's best to wait and see before speculating.
Also of course he's using Danger Sense, it's not like he can turn it off. Just because we don't see the Danger Sense signal, doesn't mean it's not activating. Especially since he dodged a bullet from behind once again, he wouldn't have notice it if Danger Sense didn't tell him.
The bullets are indeed faster than him, however it's not by an extreme amount.
Izuku dodged that shot to his stomach before she fired it. The distance he moved is far less compared to the bullets, he would've been hit had he moved at the same time. Nagant can't fire the bullets at the same time, he's dodging those shots one after the other. It's very impressive, but he can be slower than the bullets and still dodge them.
Also I've been planning on making Nagant's profile, though it isn't ready yet, only a rough draft right now. At the least I'm waiting for the battle to finish.
Also of course he's using Danger Sense, it's not like he can turn it off. Just because we don't see the Danger Sense signal, doesn't mean it's not activating. Especially since he dodged a bullet from behind once again, he wouldn't have notice it if Danger Sense didn't tell him.
The bullets are indeed faster than him, however it's not by an extreme amount.
Izuku dodged that shot to his stomach before she fired it. The distance he moved is far less compared to the bullets, he would've been hit had he moved at the same time. Nagant can't fire the bullets at the same time, he's dodging those shots one after the other. It's very impressive, but he can be slower than the bullets and still dodge them.
Also I've been planning on making Nagant's profile, though it isn't ready yet, only a rough draft right now. At the least I'm waiting for the battle to finish.
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Danger Sense isn’t always on and doesn’t get everything. This was proven when he first kicked away the bullet in the previous chapter but had no idea about the second one. And also when his phone got shot out of his hand. We always see a lightning strike when he uses it or it’s being used, like when the original owner showed it off against Banjo.
There’s aim dodging and then there’s dodging so many bullets at the same time that their flight paths cover entire panels.
There’s aim dodging and then there’s dodging so many bullets at the same time that their flight paths cover entire panels.
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Not true, he couldn't react to the second bullet because he was kicking away the first one. She timed her shots so that the two bullets would reach him at similar times, the first bullet was curved while the second one came at a different angle. The distance the first bullet had to travel was more than the second one, so they reached him a similar times despite one being fired after the other.
He couldn't react to it period, not because Danger Sense decided to take a lunch break. You need to provide evidence that Danger Sense randomly turns off without reason. Once again, Izuku reacted to a bullet from behind him and there was no lightning affect. Clearly that's Danger Sense there's no way he could've noticed it without it.
Horikoshi can't keep drawing the lightning every single time he's attacked, it's going to be left out in most cases.
Also I never mentioned aim dodging, I don't know what you're talking about there.
He couldn't react to it period, not because Danger Sense decided to take a lunch break. You need to provide evidence that Danger Sense randomly turns off without reason. Once again, Izuku reacted to a bullet from behind him and there was no lightning affect. Clearly that's Danger Sense there's no way he could've noticed it without it.
Horikoshi can't keep drawing the lightning every single time he's attacked, it's going to be left out in most cases.
Also I never mentioned aim dodging, I don't know what you're talking about there.
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Can you provide an actual example of him using danger sense without danger sense being shown? Because as it stands, we ALWAYS see it. Every time. We did not see it once in this chapter.
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TBH it ain't hard to get banned at spacebattles. They are easily the worst of the VS debating community.
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The Muscular fight just a few chapters ago. There's a part he says danger sense helps him dodge without it being drawn at all.
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While I agree that Danger Sense is still helping, even if it’s not being shown on panel all the time, he was definitely fearful of the speed of her bullets, and even directly said that the closer she got the harder it would be to dodge even with Danger Sense. Also, we know that she is absolutely capable of rapid firing her shots, as she did so to destroy the decoys he sent out of the smoke last chapter.
The shot of him dodging several bullets all coming from different angles can definitely be interpreted as him dodging rapid fire curving ones, not just one at a time condensed into a single panel.
As for what that means to me, as we can see, he reactivated Fa Jin (at least from these bad fan scans) immediately before her flashback, after he was hit by another bullet. This would imply that Fa Jin is what is allowing him to consistently dodge several shots at once, and therefore doesn’t contradict him being slower than the bullets. With Fa Jin, he is fast enough to dodge a lot of them all around him, without it he gets tagged. So if anything, him dodging all those bullets is just a better feat to show the difference in speed between 30% and 30% + Fa Jin.
The shot of him dodging several bullets all coming from different angles can definitely be interpreted as him dodging rapid fire curving ones, not just one at a time condensed into a single panel.
As for what that means to me, as we can see, he reactivated Fa Jin (at least from these bad fan scans) immediately before her flashback, after he was hit by another bullet. This would imply that Fa Jin is what is allowing him to consistently dodge several shots at once, and therefore doesn’t contradict him being slower than the bullets. With Fa Jin, he is fast enough to dodge a lot of them all around him, without it he gets tagged. So if anything, him dodging all those bullets is just a better feat to show the difference in speed between 30% and 30% + Fa Jin.
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There are people on there that literally admit they've never watched or read a series but still try to argue for or against characters and get the OK from the mods. Place is a complete dumpster fire
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I used to debate there....(shudders) Those fools will state with absolute confidence that VSBW is wrong cuz calcs. While insisting their shoddy eyeballing is more accurate than doing the math to quantify characters LOL. The mods are also powertrippers as well.
I was once part of a debate where morons would unironically argue that Master Chief from Halo would lose to GTA Online characters.
Off topic, but I had to get this off my chest.
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Lmao it’s sounds like really horrifying place
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VSBW is a long way from perfect. But as far as I'm concerned, this is the place to have VS debates, and quantify characters.
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Eye balling always sucks as quantification
One dude sees a mountain get vaporized and will call it vaguely mountain busting
Another dude will call it city busting or island busting or whatever, it’s too subjective
There’s really bad and wanked calcs out there but it’s something
Pretty sure if we eyeballed a lot of MHA feats
All Might’s speed is vaguely way above the sound barrier
Wolfram cube would maybe be 8-A
Nagant’s bullets would be vaguely fast
United States of smash would be definitely above busting city blocks etc
It kinda only works when you much up characters with a big power gap like a dude who put a hole in Mount Fuji vs a guy who boiled the ocean
So overall sounds miserable to debate there lol
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Yeah....
Spacebattles.co be like Character A conjures a gigantic storm covering an entire country, whole Character B lifts an aircraft carrier, and blows up houses with his fists.
Spacebattles.co. "Character B stumps cuz he lift deh aircraft carrier and character A only has wall lvl feats....."
I wish I was kidding.
Spacebattles.co be like Character A conjures a gigantic storm covering an entire country, whole Character B lifts an aircraft carrier, and blows up houses with his fists.
Spacebattles.co. "Character B stumps cuz he lift deh aircraft carrier and character A only has wall lvl feats....."
I wish I was kidding.
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Strongest version of Deku that the strongest version of Eren Jaeger can defeat? Eyeball method only.
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In Heroes Rising towards the end, Deku charges at Nine at 100% and looks like he’s on fire with blue energy completely covering his body. Maybe that was Fajin all along. Probably not, but just a thought.
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Movie logic says anything is possible. I mean, 20% Movie Deku created an air tornado larger than most 100% air blasts in the manga.
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Everyone in Class 1-A and B suddenly get One For All and can use it at 100%. In a battle royale, who wins?
No Todoroki, Deku or Bakugo.
No Todoroki, Deku or Bakugo.
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Hmm Eren Is bigger so he could probably one shot a city block by moving and reacted to a canon ball and while Deku has dodged objects vaguely faster than real bullets and Deku’s strongest feat outside of 100% is he made wind gusts and got hit with Iron, and took all might tier attacks from Shigaraki whatever that means
So Founding Titan Eren stomps 45% Deku end of story
Pure eyeballing
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Iida blitzes everyone. Sato would unironically be the only contender since his own quirk would be amped so he'd gain even more power from sugar.
Depending on how it actually works with quirks tho, like if adding the current OFA would cause any mutations or real amplifications to pre existing quirks, Ochaco could kill literally everyone in an instant if anything wonky happens to her.
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Also, for Lady Nagant's bullets, don't they wind up hypersonic+ - High Hypersonic regardless of the reaction tier we attempt to use? Even assuming her bullets are only better than the highest possible Normal Human perception of 0.2 gives her Mach 14 bullets, and that's the biggest possible lowball you can give with a high degree of downplay.
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So, what tier would we give Nagant exactly?
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8-A with her quirk, physically unknown until we get more feats.
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A 8-B attack can harm Deku so long as it’s packed into a small point like Nagant’s bullets are
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Already working on a profile for her, it's a work in progress. Though this fight has to end before her profile can be made. I'm not taking into account any calcs that might be made since nothing has been accepted yet, so for now this is how she'd be rated.
Also what render do you think is best for her profile?
Also what render do you think is best for her profile?
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The first render looks good
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Nagant was able to deal immense pain to Deku just with the transformation of her gun arm slamming into his stomach, without firing a shot. Wouldn’t that be an indicator of her physicals? Being able to injure Deku who JUST jumped through an entire building to get to her getting hurt by her physical attack??
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The transformation of her right arm is clearly special since it even creates Mach cones and all. But that would only apply to her right arm, not the rest of her body. Though I don't know how that is implemented on here.
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It’s literally made from her body tho. Her body can resist those forces. Just like how Bakugo’s body can resist the force from his own explosions.
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Sorry, when was it stated that Deku was at 30% when fighting Nagant?
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Never stated but 30% is his base consistent percentage now so it’s the minimum he’s using
Deku was also warned of her so it would be weird for him to hold back vs her
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Might be true, but those are big-ass bullets though and it did destroy his mid gauntlets.
That's his base OFA state as of the War Arc. Also no reason for him to hold back, especially against someone like Nagant.
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First render looks good to me as well.
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I wonder who even defeated and imprisoned Nagant to begin with. If current Deku is struggling this much against her, I really do wonder who the hell even managed to take her down in the first place and how.
Edit: I remembered just now that she didn't have air walk at that time so less of a threat, but she likely would've been difficult to take down regardless.
Edit: I remembered just now that she didn't have air walk at that time so less of a threat, but she likely would've been difficult to take down regardless.
