My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

[Kingofwolves999]

Was it linked?

I don’t think so? Therefir made it.

 

[Mageman460]

Where was it confirmed what the new quirk does? As far as I know we only know the name?

 

[TheRustyOne]

We've only gotten the basic explanation, but I'm certain Izuku should know how her Quirk works. Since Hawks knew her and has no reason to withhold information.

Why do you ask?

 

[Mageman460]

Sorry I meant Deku's new quirk. I didn't see a description in the chapter, just the name.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Oh I see, we don't know anything besides the name. But considering the name it is pretty easy to guess that it'll be related to this.

 

[Mageman460]

Yeah, but people were talking about what it qualifies as for his P&A section. I'd personally say hold off on it until we get an actual description of the quirk instead of just a name. We haven't even really seen it in action tbh.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Of course, we aren't going to be adding anything to Izuku's profile, or even make a profile for Nagant until the fight is over at the least.

It's just speculation right now, a discussion on what it could be.

 

[BlackeJan]

Oh I see, we don't know anything besides the name. But considering the name it is pretty easy to guess that it'll be related to this.

Ah so it can be a quirk that gives him a power boost in a split second. So pretty much when Goku was told to use the kaioken only for short bursts

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Could be a quirk that allows him to use 100% for a split second without any drawback.

 

[Spinoirr]

I see the qurik as more like Yang's semblance

Let's him absorb KE (that's why he jumped though all those floors of that building, to build up KE)

 

[Smashtwig]

Chapter 313 shows a better angle of the maximum area of effect Smokescreen has, should I just shove it to the Smokescreen section?

(if I can, could I reformat the page so it could be easier to navitgate or nah)

 

[Gitagon]

I think it just amps his available % for a split second. So for example, an attack with 30% is still the same percentage but way stronger.

Also, I'm thinking for the 3rd user before he got, OFA, the quirk was pretty much street level. Probably something like Sato's quirk.

Now that I think about it, is Sato street level? His strength is amped 10x

 

[Spinoirr]

Nope sato is large building level+

 

[Spinoirr]

Here's his profile

 

[RidleyX]

Did a bit more research, found out that the only modern howitzer in Japan since 2011 and the one Deku is most likely familiar with is the Type 19 155 mm Wheeled Self-propelled Howitzer which fires 155 mm artillery shells, 95 lbs and 820 m/s.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Did a bit more research, found out that the only modern howitzer in Japan since 2011 and the one Deku is most likely familiar with is the Type 19 155 mm Wheeled Self-propelled Howitzer which fires 155 mm artillery shells, 95 lbs and 820 m/s.

honestly I find it more weird that a Howitzer is the first kind of gun Deku thinks of knowing Japan with its gun control and compared to world super powers minor military spending
But then again people sometimes just have random facts and knowledge

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Well, his enemy uses a gun, so he’d probably default to comparing to common knowledge guns he knows. A “howitzer” in general as a concept is common. Well... I think it is. Basic history.

But I should point out again that, allegedly, the original Kanji said NOTHING about Howitzers. It said something closer to “this is nothing like high-angle fire!”

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Shouldn’t the manga and anime get their own keys at this point? Some of the feats in the anime are just so absurdly better than the manga, like when Iida kicked Mudman, or when Deku was practicing 20% with All Might, the actual affect of the attacks are way more high tier.

 

[LordTracer]

The stories of the anime and manga would have to be drastically different to warrant separate keys or profiles. Different feats aren’t enough.

 

[Gitagon]

Shouldn’t the manga and anime get their own keys at this point? Some of the feats in the anime are just so absurdly better than the manga, like when Iida kicked Mudman, or when Deku was practicing 20% with All Might, the actual affect of the attacks are way more high tier.

No one really considers anime when it comes to scaling unless it's something unclear in the manga hence the anime clarifies it.

All anime ever, not just MHA, take some liberties here and there and exaggerate some manga feats a little during adaptations. But most of the time, it's something that can be ignored.

The only time it becomes a big deal is when manga and anime are separate canon like Dragon Ball Super.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Why are some of the movie feats allowed when they’re just as outlier and absurd as most of the things in the anime?

 

[LordTracer]

Because the movies are considered canon.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Normally, manga feats are used over the anime versions of them when both are present because the manga is the primary canon. However, with movies, since they're considered as canon, only the anime can be used because that's the only reference we have for them.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

The basic plot of the movies are considered canon but should every feat be taken as canon to the manga?

20% Manga Deku with a kick only blew some leaves and scarred from trees of their bark.

20% Heroes Rising Deku with a kick created an explosion tornado the size of many buildings and flung several trees into the air, which is taken as an actual calc and stat here.

Does it not seem a little outlier-ish?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

You can’t just not use canon movie feats because they’re bigger than feats in the manga

Movies are generally meant to have bigger feats as a bigger showing of the stakes being bigger as it is a movie, doesn’t make the feats less valid at all

 

[AtomicSekiro]

By that logic, animes usually have bigger feats because it’s anime, and thus should be taken as valid too as an example of what the characters /can/ do but did not do in the manga. Because it’s valid and not outlierish.

Two Heroes Deku spear-kicked through 15 or so meters of straight steel and shattered it like it was fragile ice at only 5%. If that’s valid then what is the point of the iron soles when he can already do that stuff with his normal basic boots?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Normally, manga feats are used over the anime versions of them when both are present because the manga is the primary canon. However, with movies, since they're considered as canon, only the anime can be used because that's the only reference we have for them.

^ This is why that logic doesn’t work.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Look at this if anyone as any questions about the movie's canonicity.

There's nothing about the feats that make them outliers, being higher than you expect doesn't make them an outlier. You need to provide evidence that the feats in the movie out of place for this verse. 8-A and High 8-C feats existence within the manga, it's not like all of the characters are 9-B without the movies.

We don't use anime original scenes as they aren't canon, unless Horikoshi makes them canon, which hasn't happened for anything besides maybe Endeavor vs the Hosu Nomu. Iida's Recipro Turbo contradicts the manga, which means it cannot be calc as that's not how it actually happened.

The anime is only used when it's not possible to calc a feat, or if the anime better explains a feat than the manga did.

 

[Spinoirr]

Ok what about that one feat from the second movie that is a outlier by you guys, the storm feat

 

[TheRustyOne]

Two Heroes Deku spear-kicked through 15 or so meters of straight steel and shattered it like it was fragile ice at only 5%. If that’s valid then what is the point of the iron soles when he can already do that stuff with his normal basic boots?

This makes no sense, Izuku doesn't want the Iron Soles to break through 15 meters of steel. He had them made so he can increase the powers of his kicks and not rely on 100%, I don't get what you're trying to say here.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Ok what about that one feat from the second movie that is a outlier by you guys, the storm feat

It was fine at 7-A but then it got calced at High 6-C with some method I can’t understand and got deemed an outlier.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Ok what about that one feat from the second movie that is a outlier by you guys, the storm feat

I don't see how High 6-C isn't a outlier for MHA, that's way too high and nothing in universe comes close.

But the 7-A method should still be fine to use, though it's best to wait to see where the manga is going since it may cause problems. Or not, who knows?

 

[Damage3245]

The feats themselves aren't necessarily outliers.

But scaling can be questionable sometimes.

If Deku's 5% can vary between barely shattering a brick wall, and casually obliterating several cubic meters of steel, then whenever he uses 5% to attack someone, we should look for context to see how likely is it that his kick is scaling to either one of these values.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

How do you mean? Like we should look for what’s most consistent in the manga with 5%?

 

[CloverDragon03]

The problem with that is that calcs are usually of the best feat for the thing in question, otherwise there'd be a ton of redundant calcs. Why shouldn't we continue to use the best feat shown as a display of statistics?

 

[TheRustyOne]

What is "consistent" can vary based on what you're judging.

By the most "consistent", 5% is barely 9-B, since the attacks he launches don't produce Tier 8 results. Even All Might and AFO would be High 8-C to 8-B at best. Bakugo's explosions would mostly be around Street and Wall level, so High 8-C or 8-C are outliers.

Obviously this isn't true, but having numerous amounts of lower feats doesn't make higher ones outliers.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'll explain this in a more general case:

The issue with this is that (not even just MHA, this is for most verses in general) most "consistent" feats would be around Tier 9 to Tier 8, Tier 7 at most, as not every battle is going to involve a country being destroyed in the process or something like that. If we took what was most "consistent," most characters in general would get knocked down severely since their best feats get completely neutered.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I'll explain this in a more general case:

The issue with this is that (not even just MHA, this is for most verses in general) most "consistent" feats would be around Tier 9 to Tier 8, Tier 7 at most, as not every battle is going to involve a country being destroyed in the process or something like that. If we took what was most "consistent," most characters in general would get knocked down severely since their best feats get completely neutered.

if I am gonna be honest this is completely true
I’m pretty sure if we judged by what’s the “most consistent”
Everyone tier 7 and above becomes tier 8 at best with the mountain busts in fights being declared outliers
if there’s like 12 High 6-B feats in a verse that are super consistent with the verse it doesn’t matter because they have nigh countless wall busting feats and building busting feats
Or one punch man characters would be only subsonic

 

[ÆONS]

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[RidleyX]

the original Kanji said NOTHING about Howitzers.

Its in the Viz media version now