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Ness vs Shulk

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Shulk can destroy the entire universe and re-create it in his own image, but it's strongly against his character to do that. Anyway, I'd say Shulk wins with high difficulty. Ness's attack reflection is mainly for physical attacks; Monado Buster and Monado Cyclone are both Ether attacks, so I don't think they really count as physical. Also, Shulk's pre-recognition could give him the edge, and there's Monado purge or Monado eater, which disables all of Ness's barriers and buffs. Additionally, I think Monado Shield could protect Shulk from most of Ness's abilities, but PK Flash might be the only potential problem, but the chances are low. Shulk is also more skilled in close quarters combat.
 
Ness's Attack Reflection are for "Non-Psychic attacks", not sure if that changes anything. And if his attacks are Ether attacks what would that mean? It attacks the soul or something? and eater and purge don't say they break shields they say they take a way buffs, which implies stat amps not shields. But if I'm wrong please correct me.
 
I also recall Ness's shield being capable of reflecting the Starmen's Lasers, which should count as Energy Manipulation on some level.

Now, for the battle itself, i'll say Ness for some minor advantages.

For starters, Shulks precognition serves more like clairvoyance, the which is not likely combat applicable. Even then, Ness as also shown some level of clairvoyance during Earthbound, especially after gaining low 2-C power, since he was able to predict where his next objective is. That's one of the reasons he has Nigh-Omniscient intelligence in the first place, and is as likely as Shulks to kick in before battle.

Even if Shulk disables Ness's shields, is not like he can't keep putting them every time they go off. Also, the barrier art confuses me by the same level aspect, does it mean it by like, "same level power"?, becuse even Ness's weakest attack is Low-2C by default, and even when he's level 99, he can still use PK attacks at level alpha, wich is te weakest of them all, so by default, PK attacks at level higher like Beta and Omega should be above regular isn't? so in that case, stuff like barrier would still be useful?

Also, if Shulks barrier ware's off, he as to face the statust effects from Flash or stuff like Paralysis and Sleep, and with them activated, he doesn't have much options, since they will difficult him from using any of his abilities. Stuff like sleep pretty much make's him free hit's, Paralysis takes away his physical combat abilities, confusion make's him capable of hitting himself with is own art's, uncontrollabe crying means he won't hit Ness with any attack, and the chance of OHKO is obvious danger, even more considering that it as a 40% chance of hitting.

Also, Shulks abilitie to heal only cures some little, while Ness can go full in an instant

And finally, Ness's immortality is a problem, since even if Shulks manages somehow to destroy Ness, he will had to fight a fully recovered Ness again, while he will now be completly tired and wash out of eter by then.
 
Ness can't even touch Shulk because of his visions....


Shulk outpredicted Zanza and made Zanza's Visions Null and Void (Zanza could see THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of years into the future)

Not to mention he fought evenly with Zanza when he had a bootleg monado, and Zanza had two monado's at the time. Not to mention he one shot him with the monado lll, the monado lll's Kanji is also "God" which represents being able to cut through anything.


Shulk obliterates
 
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"For starters, Shulks precognition serves more like clairvoyance, the which is not likely combat applicable." Play xenoblade before you start talking shit lmao. Shulk's end game visions are instaneous and whenever he wills them to be and have been used in battle tons of times.
 
Zackaryzac said:
Ness can't even touch Shulk because of his visions....

Shulk outpredicted Zanza and made Zanza's Visions Null and Void (Zanza could see THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of years into the future)

Not to mention he fought evenly with Zanza when he had a bootleg monado, and Zanza had two monado's at the time. Not to mention he one shot him with the monado lll, the monado lll's Kanji is also "God" which represents being able to cut through anything.


Shulk obliterates
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The first point isn't really relevant here. Ness is nigh-omniscient. Second, that's an NLF. Ness fra.
 
Basically in one giant post.


- Ness cannot touch Shulk as Shulk's visions are whenever he wills them to be, "They show me my enemy and the future I must change" also the Monado controls the very fabric of reality, it is controlled by Shulk's will.

- As previously stated Shulk with a bootleg monado (Manufactured) Was still able to trade blows with Zanza, who had two monado's. Also Shulk's Visions overpowered Zanza's, literally made Zanza's visions not work, and Zanza had vision's of thousands of years into the future, everything was predestined by him up to the point of being confronted by shulk in the memory space. As long as Shulk wants to see the future he will, and instaneously, he'll know everything Ness will do before Ness does.

- The monado lll is the ultimate monado. "Does the world belong to Zanza or you?" "I DECIDED THAT LONG AGO" After this sequence of quotes a new symbol appears on shulk's monado. "GOD" Which represents the highest of being, this represents that Shulk can now cut through anything, even God himself.

- Since the monado controls reality itself, even the most simple movements by shulk can change reality, Shulk decimates Ness.
 
Honestly looking at the quotes from Earthbound on Ness's "Intellegence" It doesn't even flat out say He'll know just about everything, his intelegence shouldn't be altered from a loose quote like that. Look at all the other hyperbole's in fiction.


"If you drink this you will be the ultimate being and have ultimate knowledge"

Even so, nigh-omniscience won't help him here, especially when this knowledge would seem to be limited to his own universe.
 
Can you explain to me exactly why it says he's omniscience on Ness' profile. Like in depth.

Also everything I've said about Shulk is true, you could argue about the God Kanji, but other than that.....
 
It says that because he's described as knowing everything. If you don't agree with it, make a CRT.

I'm not saying that it's not true. However, it's kind of irrelevent since not only can Ness see the future, he can also read Shulk's mind.
 
Was never stated specifically, but it was able to read the thoughts of the party. Keep in mind, this was before shulk's end game visions. Shulk's end game visions are things he doesn't have to think about, they're instaneous a telethia wasn't able to sense him/his thoughts upon his return from death either. Look at a cutscene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnYaSGS4suo Shulk claims this not to be a vision, but this was before he knew that they actually were. Like I said they're instaneous. He more or less senses them.
 
I phrased that bad.


Shulk stops seeing the visions directly, he just more or less senses them, he doesn't have to "think" about what will happen next, he just knows, think about it like a more powerful Ultra Instinct.
 
Keep in mind, Shulk's visions made Zanza's visions useless, and Zanza was able to see/was connected to the passage of fate. (Actually just made a post on Zanza's profile for the upgrade) The passage of fate is what dictates everything in the universe.

Also according to Alvis "It is a marvel for one to exist outside of the passage of fate" (Shulk does). Shulk and Zanza need some upgrades tbh
 
Nope.

Ness recently got upgraded from 3-A to Low 2-C, so I thought of a battle for Ness and Shulk was the first that came in mind.
 
Ether is basically life energy/spirit energy; Xenoblade's lore says all life is composed of Ether. And, it's kind of case by case; I know Ki and Magic are entirely different, but some characters such as Melia does use Ether to perform magic. So, I'm unsure if attack reflection works on Ether based attacks. But Monado Purge does remove shields and statistics buffs.

When I get the time to do it, I'll make an upgrade thread for Xenoblade; Shulk should have resistance to mind manipulation via Egil and Zanza confrontations. And possibly resistance to possession.
 
So Ether is basically sprititual energy? then I don't know if Ness's shields could be of use against that, although I do recall Ness's shields being capable of reflecting damage dealt by spiritual beings, so I don't really now if that could be considered as spiritual attacks. I'll also like to state that Ness's attacks are not necessarily directed to the Mind of the user, the mind manipulation aspect is just the medium, not the attack itself.
 
Ether is what makes up the universe itself(Space and time), The monado is able to alter the ether to the user of the monado (Shulk, Zanza, Alvis, Mayneth)'s will.


Shulk's reality warping is massivly powerful
 
True, Shulk's Reality Warping does have the power to make this a stomp, but it's against his character to use it for combat. Although, his Pre-recognition is easily combat applicable. It warns of of impending danger of both him and his friends mid combat; so it's easily combat applicable. At the very least, it's superior to the Spider Sense. I'd say it's comparable to Sharingan and maybe Ultra Instinct.
 
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